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  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

    My message to Senators:

    ❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.

    “More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •

    If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞

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    @inthehands

    The TSA has not actually been able to present any compelling evidence that they have prevented any terrorist attacks. All they can conclusively show is that they have taken a great many things from travelers, most of which are demonstrably harmless. They also routinely fail their own tests -- missing weapons hidden in luggage that they are supposed to be stopping.

    It is theoretically possible for them to do a much better job. But not likely, regardless of budget.

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    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

      Pressure on Senators •is working•. Previously head-in-sand centrist Senators are actually coming out to vote against ICE funding. Their positions are still weak and insufficient, and more need to cave to pressure — but they are visibly buckling.

      Again, we should not and must not wait on elected officials to save us — they will not — but we can and should deploy pressure on them as a strategic tool in moments when that can be useful.

      Now is such a moment. KEEP IT UP.

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      Reid :blobcathappy:R This user is from outside of this forum
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      Reid :blobcathappy:
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      #46
      @inthehands Honestly the sad part is that you even need public pressure to defund the gestapo even after they started doing public executions. The Senators should just be acting on their own after shit like that.
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      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

        My message to Senators:

        ❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.

        “More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •

        If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞

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        BeachbumB This user is from outside of this forum
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        @inthehands I think so too. Ross had eight years with the brutal force.

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        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

          And to be clear, zeroing out the budget, scrapping the DHS, returning its law enforcement duties to local agencies, and prosecuting ICE officers — all of that! — is the •moderate• position here.

          The extremist position is violence of a kind and scale I shudder to contemplate.

          Pressure them. Rattle them out of their stupor.

          /end

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          UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.

          Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.

          My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.

          Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.

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          • Jeremy KahnT Jeremy Kahn

            @inthehands

            your "extremist" position reminds me of this short story (from @garbados ?) that i have had open in a spare tab for *months*

            https://blog.bovid.space/they-let-me-live

            it is oddly hopeful about the aftermath of adopting the extremist position

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            @trochee regarding extremist positions, C.L.R. James wrote that "The cruelties of property and privilege are always more ferocious than the revenges of poverty and oppression. For the one aims at perpetuating resented injustice, the other is merely a momentary passion soon appeased." @inthehands

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            • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

              UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.

              Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.

              My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.

              Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.

              VM This user is from outside of this forum
              VM This user is from outside of this forum
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              #50

              @inthehands Having someone more responsible in charge of the secret police does not make it okay to have a secret police in the first place.
              And if ICE is not removed - if the secret police continues to exist - then the absolute best case result is this calms down now, and the same thing happens again later.

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              • Reid :blobcathappy:R Reid :blobcathappy:
                @inthehands Honestly the sad part is that you even need public pressure to defund the gestapo even after they started doing public executions. The Senators should just be acting on their own after shit like that.
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                @reiddragon
                Politicians never lead. The population leads; politicians follow. Sometimes it seems like maybe that’s not the case, but it is.

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                • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                  @reiddragon
                  Politicians never lead. The population leads; politicians follow. Sometimes it seems like maybe that’s not the case, but it is.

                  Reid :blobcathappy:R This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Reid :blobcathappy:
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                  @inthehands it's just that you'd think that at least in times like this it would be obvious enough what the people want that they don't even need to say it, though
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                  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                    UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.

                    Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.

                    My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.

                    Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.

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                    Sex Crazed SaltShaker of Death
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                    @inthehands
                    Can the senate impeach, or does the house have to do it like with the president?

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                    • Morgan ⚧️R Morgan ⚧️

                      @amyshark @inthehands the situation we're in requires many avenues of resistance, and none of them are completely without value. Discouraging people from calling their senators doesn't inherently encourage them to do other things that might work a little better. Everyone is at a different stage of growth out of the capitalist hell we were raised in, and I imagine finding out that their call did nothing will give people better ideas more than giving up before they even try it will

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                      wrote last edited by
                      #54

                      @raphaelmorgan @inthehands

                      Exactly. Spread education. Spread ideas. Channel the energy people have into useful activities. Don’t give up - do things that can add value to the resistance. Maybe it’s something small like reposting something on social media, signing a petition, asking someone to lead a local event, going to a town hall. Maybe it’s brushing up your own knowledge or helping others learn. Craftivism. Protesting. Not using Amazon. ANYTHING is SOMETHING.

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                      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                        UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.

                        Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.

                        My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.

                        Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.

                        Hank BPH This user is from outside of this forum
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                        Hank BP
                        wrote last edited by
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                        @inthehands yes!

                        And same with ICE leaving Minnesota. Don’t just get them out of one state. Get them out of every state.

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                        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                          My message to Senators:

                          ❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.

                          “More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •

                          If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞

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                          Paco (2026: New) Hope
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                          @inthehands How can these Senators sit back and watch US AID get defunded, and the FTC, and the FDA, and the CDC? Then, when people discuss defunding murderers, it’s not that easy?

                          #uspol #fuckice

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                          • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                            UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.

                            Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.

                            My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.

                            Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.

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                            Paul_IPv6
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                            @inthehands

                            right. don't replace her. prosecute, disband the whole DHS/CBP/ICE, prosecute any of them that need it too.

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                            • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                              My message to Senators:

                              ❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.

                              “More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •

                              If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞

                              2/

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                              @inthehands
                              Department of Fatherland Security
                              AKA
                              Council of Ministers for the Defense of the Reich

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                              • Nicole ParsonsN Nicole Parsons

                                @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands

                                Republican billionaires funded a multi-front war on democracy.

                                Courts. Congress. Disinformation. Sabotaging education. Book bans. Defunding higher education. Decades of Fox News blasting away into the minds of soldiers on military bases.

                                An equally broad response is required to counteract it.

                                A counterinsurgency needs guerilla tactics beyond simply voting.

                                Get creative. A big one is collecting evidence for war crimes trials. DNA. Payroll records. ID'S.

                                su_liamS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                su_liam
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                                @Npars01 @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands Look at the tactics of fascists butthurt about masks. Most of those didn’t own the trucks they used to block roads and bridges. Look at the guys who occupied the Malheur facility. They were openly armed, but only one was shot and he had to repeatedly threaten to draw down on FBI before finally getting shot. I know the threshold will be nowhere near that high, but we need to start playing their game.

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                                • Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)S Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)

                                  @EndicottAuthor

                                  Yes. And …??

                                  @inthehands

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                                  @stepheneb @inthehands And it's a campaign of retribution. MN didn't vote for DJT 3 times. Now he's taking out his revenge on them.

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                                  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                    UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.

                                    Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.

                                    My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.

                                    Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.

                                    libramoonL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    libramoon
                                    wrote last edited by
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                                    @inthehands

                                    What every US citizen can simply do NOW

                                    we #US citizens need to immediately demand
                                    our #Congress impeach and convict Trump asap,
                                    or be #primaried by those who will
                                    write/phone/email/scream outside their offices

                                    find those candidates https://www.citizensimpeachment.com/
                                    https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

                                    Let's do #Democracy
                                    Spread the word

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                                    • su_liamS su_liam

                                      @Npars01 @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands Look at the tactics of fascists butthurt about masks. Most of those didn’t own the trucks they used to block roads and bridges. Look at the guys who occupied the Malheur facility. They were openly armed, but only one was shot and he had to repeatedly threaten to draw down on FBI before finally getting shot. I know the threshold will be nowhere near that high, but we need to start playing their game.

                                      Nicole ParsonsN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      Nicole Parsons
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                                      @su_liam @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands

                                      There is no "game".

                                      It's a state terror campaign.

                                      Terror campaigns too easily evolve into decades long factional violence.

                                      Tit-for-tat retaliation like Ireland's "The Troubles" or the Gaza Genocide.

                                      They often lead to collaped states run by warlords like Lebanon.

                                      Not recommended. The USA is still retrievable if the overly simplistic "solutions" like civil war or factional political violence is avoided.

                                      Suggest cutting off the MAGA money 1st

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                                      • Nicole ParsonsN Nicole Parsons

                                        @su_liam @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands

                                        There is no "game".

                                        It's a state terror campaign.

                                        Terror campaigns too easily evolve into decades long factional violence.

                                        Tit-for-tat retaliation like Ireland's "The Troubles" or the Gaza Genocide.

                                        They often lead to collaped states run by warlords like Lebanon.

                                        Not recommended. The USA is still retrievable if the overly simplistic "solutions" like civil war or factional political violence is avoided.

                                        Suggest cutting off the MAGA money 1st

                                        1/

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                                        Cutting off the MAGA money.

                                        1. Find a supply of Rose Volland's to track it
                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Valland

                                        2. Gather evidence on the complicit
                                        https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5705828-walz-bondi-immigration-dispute/

                                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2026/01/23/rogan-suggests-trumps-using-ice-raids-to-distract-from-epstein-files/

                                        3. A global effort to track & eliminate tax evasion
                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LuxLeaks

                                        https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/

                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers

                                        4. Gather evidence of the lies
                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

                                        5. Get depositions & witness testimony right after each murder. Spread the word.

                                        6. Get evidence
                                        https://www.britannica.com/topic/IG-Farben

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                                        • Nicole ParsonsN Nicole Parsons

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                                          Cutting off the MAGA money.

                                          1. Find a supply of Rose Volland's to track it
                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Valland

                                          2. Gather evidence on the complicit
                                          https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5705828-walz-bondi-immigration-dispute/

                                          https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2026/01/23/rogan-suggests-trumps-using-ice-raids-to-distract-from-epstein-files/

                                          3. A global effort to track & eliminate tax evasion
                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LuxLeaks

                                          https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers

                                          4. Gather evidence of the lies
                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

                                          5. Get depositions & witness testimony right after each murder. Spread the word.

                                          6. Get evidence
                                          https://www.britannica.com/topic/IG-Farben

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                                          7. Accelerate the switch to renewable energy. MAGA is funded by fossil fuel cash.

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/05/texas-fracking-billionaire-brothers-prageru-daily-wire

                                          https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/tim-dunn-texas-oil-billionaire-trump-donor-1235033143/

                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

                                          https://www.desmog.com/2024/12/16/6-fracking-billionaires-and-climate-denial-groups-behind-trumps-cabinet/

                                          8. Sanction The Moneyed dynasties behind MAGA & Project 2025

                                          https://www.desmog.com/2016/01/21/beyond-koch-brothers-scaife-olin-bradley-jane-mayer-dark-money/

                                          https://www.desmog.com/2024/10/25/project-2025-trump-mapped-how-6-billionaire-family-fortunes-fund-climate-denial/

                                          9. Bankrupt the AI tech bros. Fast.

                                          https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2025/09/ai-and-the-fight-between-democracy-and-autocracy/684095/

                                          https://www.404media.co/ai-is-supercharging-the-war-on-libraries-education-and-human-knowledge/

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/11/elon-musk-ai-grok-nazi-meltdown

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