I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
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@danirabbit
I don't actually hate this but it's just reinventing the idea of vegetarianism.& maybe that does need some rejuvinating & maybe that'll do some good in the world, still it's really not veganism.
I don't think it's cool to benefit from the moral associations of veganism without the hard work (being an animal use abolitionist).
I guess vegetarianism is kinda lame nowadays (now we say plant-based or plant forward or 'vegan'), & part of that is because veganism makes it look obsolete, but you can't just take the name without doing the work.
@Opticacia @danirabbit > I don't think it's cool to benefit from the moral associations of veganism without the hard work
You know, for some people the reason for being vegan (or trying to be more vegan with some exceptions) is because they want to reduce harm, not to get bragging rights for being morally superior.
And this binary thinking of "it's only hard work if you go 100% vegan" is exactly the problem. It's hard work to change your diet and habits, even if you make some exceptions.
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@danirabbit
This!
My parents just follow my national resources guidelines for meat consumption (which by global standards is LOW), as in2-3 meals of meat per day or less than 1 hot dog per person per day type deal. So mlst meals are "humble" but delicious if done well.
No need for the labels, no need for the flame wars. If you feel good from it and can stay happy like that then it's good for everyone on the planet.Meat every day is definitely not "low"
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Meat every day is definitely not "low"
@regordane
I spoke without looking it up myself. It actually translates into: 2 to 3 meals per week (assuming a standard portion size of 120–150g).
It's less than a quarter, to my understanding, than what the actual consumption average is.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I went vegan for about a year, saw no difference, except losing weight, but I did switch to oatmilk.
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@danirabbit here in Europe I use an app called UdenUSA which helps identify which products have links to the USA by scanning the barcode. It also suggests alternative products that do not have any links to the USA. Spent 30c more on my toothpaste today too because the app told me the cheaper one was made in PRoChina and I do like to also avoid their stuff when I can. https://udenusa.dk
What is irony?
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What is irony?
@geoffl @danirabbit Very true
I had a little suspicion about it but it seems to work at least the more I looked into it. I don’t use Google and it is optional. -
@geoffl @danirabbit Very true
I had a little suspicion about it but it seems to work at least the more I looked into it. I don’t use Google and it is optional.@kDelta @danirabbit
Yeah, to get it in the app store they have to play the game. Looks useful, I'll try it later. -
@Opticacia @danirabbit > I don't think it's cool to benefit from the moral associations of veganism without the hard work
You know, for some people the reason for being vegan (or trying to be more vegan with some exceptions) is because they want to reduce harm, not to get bragging rights for being morally superior.
And this binary thinking of "it's only hard work if you go 100% vegan" is exactly the problem. It's hard work to change your diet and habits, even if you make some exceptions.
@binaryDiv @Opticacia @danirabbit Yeah, if its about moral bragging rights, I don’t have any problem stealing those either. You’re not a good person.
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Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?
Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?
@danirabbit
I've been degoogling for several years. First was duckduckgo, then I started using my own domain for email. Then I moved that email domain off of Google's servers. Then I canceled my youtube subscription. Recently I canceled my YouTube Music subscription in favor of #Qobuz.I still use Android. I still use Google maps. I still watch YouTube videos. I maintain my Gmail account for legacy reasons. But I'm using Google much less and they no longer directly receive any of my money.
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@danirabbit Conversely, it’s incredibly easy to get swept up in the “I’m gonna do good!” thought and bite off more than you can chew. You see it with folks who get into privacy all the time; they actually MAKE the huge switches, get completely burnt, then go back to how they were feeling defeated.
Moderation isn’t just good advice those nervous to make big changes. It’s also a good mentality for those who want it all, but might forget that that doesn’t mean all at once.
@moshimotsu @danirabbit what I call the May and Mercury Specification, 1989 (I want it all, I want it now) is not just something to push back on at work but also in personal life
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@bencurthoys @argv_minus_one @danirabbit
May I be the joyless bastard and weigh in about synthetic meat? I hope not to crash the party (also, I am several hours late, lol)...
The problem I see with synthetic meat is about the food system we want.
Synthetic meat is an industrial product, requiring global supply chains, large-scale (sterile) facilities and a stratified and complex (and stratified) social and economic structure.
A part from making the life cycle assessment quite complex (because e.g. the quantification of the environmental impact of a production system depends mainly from where you draw the system boundaries, so it is very easy to leave out processes and obtain a nicer picture than in reality), hyper-technological systems are not resilient (remember when during covid there was a global shortage of lab gloves because *all* of them are produced in Malaysia? there are many components in a lab that are not easy to source in a crisis).On another note, it is also a question of organization. A food system based on small-scale, local and sustainable farms is in my eyes much preferable than megacorporations owning the food production chain. I am not sure that lab meat will be easy to grow in our basements like fungi or so...
Also, be aware that a lot of the lab meat bubble was because it seemed so attractive to investors. Technological, scalable solutions that seem even more sustainable than what we have actually. A very welcome investment opportunity and a good narrative for corporations that want to show that they will save the world (remember biofuels from algae?).
Don't get me wrong, I am not fundamentally against industry or technology, it's just that I think that it is a good idea to keep the influence of the corporate-industrial players out of the food system as much as possible.It is correct that lab meat is probably way more ethical than the current system of industrial agriculture with factory farms. But we also easily tend to overestimate the contribution of industrial farming to feed the world, and overlook the millions of smallscale farmers that provide a way greater part of the foodstuff actually consumed by humanity. @viacampesina_en has more information about this.
#Agroecology #LabMeat #SyntheticMeat #AgroecologicalTransition #Diet #SustainableDiet #FoodSystem #WeFeedTheWorld
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I think of my "meatless Mondays" as less of a step towards vegetarianism/veganism, and more of a culinary variety challenge to try foods I otherwise would have never even considered.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit yes yes and yes. Everyone eating half as much meat has a far bigger impact them a few becoming pure vegan.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit sorry but no. "Plantbased+bacon", ok w/e. But veganism is a moral standpoint about animal rights. And sorry, but it simply is black and white.
'Anti-racist except for asians' or 'feminist but the wage gap is fine by me' is just as ridiculous as 'vegan+'.I don't have the right to breed, imprison, milk, use or kill an animal, just as i don't have the right to do that to you. That is veganism. It's not a diet, but a political standpoint.
If you just want a smaller footprint, fine. Every small step counts. But you're not vegan, you're eating plantbased. -
@danirabbit Bacon is great because it adds a lot of flavor even when used in small amounts.
Bacon should not be the main part of a meal; it is a spice.
@plantagolabs @danirabbit also, bacon fat. If I cook some, I keep the fat in the fridge and use it later to add taste. Works great to make a vegan recipe taste meatier.
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