I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.
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I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.
It is not kind. You may well be insulted by it. If you are... then you really should question yourself.
@Crell kinda sounds like your problem is with capitalism and less with the AI tool. Also why does the code that AI puts out have to be committed without user intervention. I sense an implication that nobody reviews this code. Developers can still develop all they want and still have it help them. Need a flask server? Need a docs page? Nobody should be shipping code written by an AI tool unless it's been reviewed first. If devs are shipping shitty code it's still their fault, not the AI tool's
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@Crell kinda sounds like your problem is with capitalism and less with the AI tool. Also why does the code that AI puts out have to be committed without user intervention. I sense an implication that nobody reviews this code. Developers can still develop all they want and still have it help them. Need a flask server? Need a docs page? Nobody should be shipping code written by an AI tool unless it's been reviewed first. If devs are shipping shitty code it's still their fault, not the AI tool's
@av3ry3ris Lovely thought. So our job is not code writing but debugging slop written by Grand Theft Autocomplete? Also, not the point I was making. Review or not, it drill burns the same electricity.
As for capitalism, if capitalism means we must think short-term individual with no regard for societal cost, then yes, fuck capitalism.
Capitalism is the primary reason people become socialists.
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@av3ry3ris Lovely thought. So our job is not code writing but debugging slop written by Grand Theft Autocomplete? Also, not the point I was making. Review or not, it drill burns the same electricity.
As for capitalism, if capitalism means we must think short-term individual with no regard for societal cost, then yes, fuck capitalism.
Capitalism is the primary reason people become socialists.
@Crell I would rather spend time debugging mostly working code than reading nerds argue on stackoverflow for hours only to find the solution that worked for everyone is deprecated on my version. No part of that experience is fun or feels rewarding. And not being able to figure something out has made me quit on projects that I can bridge that gap between now.
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@Crell I would rather spend time debugging mostly working code than reading nerds argue on stackoverflow for hours only to find the solution that worked for everyone is deprecated on my version. No part of that experience is fun or feels rewarding. And not being able to figure something out has made me quit on projects that I can bridge that gap between now.
@av3ry3ris And how many degrees climate increase is that worth to you?
How much mass copyright infringement is that worth to you?
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@av3ry3ris And how many degrees climate increase is that worth to you?
How much mass copyright infringement is that worth to you?
@Crell copyright infringement is another capitalism thing. Also there are so many other industries that shouldn't be consuming the resources they do but everyone is very loud about scary new tool.
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@Crell copyright infringement is another capitalism thing. Also there are so many other industries that shouldn't be consuming the resources they do but everyone is very loud about scary new tool.
@av3ry3ris No deflection. Look at the article and the links. The power usage is massive.
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@av3ry3ris No deflection. Look at the article and the links. The power usage is massive.
@Crell I see the power usage. I'm wondering why anyone only cares about the environment when it comes to AI and not with coal, oil, electricity, Netflix, meta, tiktok, lithium batteries, meat etc. It feels like a talking point. If we care about the environment let's fix the environment and not place blame on scary tool. Right now companies can just buy anything they want and do anything they want. How is that AIs fault?
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@Crell I see the power usage. I'm wondering why anyone only cares about the environment when it comes to AI and not with coal, oil, electricity, Netflix, meta, tiktok, lithium batteries, meat etc. It feels like a talking point. If we care about the environment let's fix the environment and not place blame on scary tool. Right now companies can just buy anything they want and do anything they want. How is that AIs fault?
@av3ry3ris You're deliberately ignoring the point, and the supporting links in the article. Stop deflecting. I'm done here.
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@av3ry3ris You're deliberately ignoring the point, and the supporting links in the article. Stop deflecting. I'm done here.
@Crell you're also ignoring my point. I see the power usage of the data centers and I agree they are bad but who is building them and why are they allowed to build more and more? I'm saying the only time we care about the environment is when it comes to AI. The planet has been dying for YEARS and this is the only time we care about it? I am asking why is it the fault of the tool that is abused for the purposes of facilitating capitalism and not the fault of capitalism itself.
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I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.
It is not kind. You may well be insulted by it. If you are... then you really should question yourself.
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@Crell you're also ignoring my point. I see the power usage of the data centers and I agree they are bad but who is building them and why are they allowed to build more and more? I'm saying the only time we care about the environment is when it comes to AI. The planet has been dying for YEARS and this is the only time we care about it? I am asking why is it the fault of the tool that is abused for the purposes of facilitating capitalism and not the fault of capitalism itself.
@av3ry3ris @Crell
Avery, you’re evidencing exactly the attitudes and behaviour that Larry is calling out. Take a long hard look at yourself! -
I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.
It is not kind. You may well be insulted by it. If you are... then you really should question yourself.
@Crell “There is no right life in the wrong one.” –Theodor Adorno
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@av3ry3ris @Crell
Avery, you’re evidencing exactly the attitudes and behaviour that Larry is calling out. Take a long hard look at yourself!@KimSJ @Crell idk I mean this article didnt really present anything new. Just kind of whining about peoples tech jobs and then using the environmental talking point to "prove" AI bad. AI is not bad. It is being misused heavily I will agree. But the tool itself isn't bad. People said the same thing about the internet. Growing up people told me how inaccurate Wikipedia was but now all the sudden it is way better than AI. Both still able to have incorrect info. But AI bad. Sure yeah.
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@av3ry3ris @Crell
Avery, you’re evidencing exactly the attitudes and behaviour that Larry is calling out. Take a long hard look at yourself! -
I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.
It is not kind. You may well be insulted by it. If you are... then you really should question yourself.
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@av3ry3ris @Crell
OK, fair point. But AI is the problems of capitalism writ large, and any engineer/programmer buying into the hype is making things worse. That’s the message I took from the OP, and that is a message worth amplifying. -
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OK, fair point. But AI is the problems of capitalism writ large, and any engineer/programmer buying into the hype is making things worse. That’s the message I took from the OP, and that is a message worth amplifying.@KimSJ @Crell the reminds me of the energy conservation thing where they convinced Americans that it was our fault that and the pollution caused by electricity generation was bc we used our lights too much and we need to turn our lights off at certain times of the day.
If we want to talk about actual problems with AI let's talk about things like ShellGPT and flock cameras, and ICE's AI facial recognition tool. Not people getting their work done faster so they can enjoy life.
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I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.
It is not kind. You may well be insulted by it. If you are... then you really should question yourself.
@Crell I hope that we forgive each other at some point, because this is the only way we can hope to make society again. Dividing us so we have to be selfish is part of the issue/plan. Selfishness itself is a feature, not an accident.
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@Crell I hope that we forgive each other at some point, because this is the only way we can hope to make society again. Dividing us so we have to be selfish is part of the issue/plan. Selfishness itself is a feature, not an accident.
@jdbar Forgiveness only comes after accountability.
And it is accountability that is sorely lacking in modern America.
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@Crell I hope that we forgive each other at some point, because this is the only way we can hope to make society again. Dividing us so we have to be selfish is part of the issue/plan. Selfishness itself is a feature, not an accident.
