Kyle Rittenhouse walked up to police carrying an assault weapon during protests in Kenosha, then killed people, and Conservatives called him a hero.
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@starlily I'm not the one fighting, "Chief." In a world where people can pick fights with MAGAts and conservatives, it pisses me off when people want to pick fights with people with whom they agree because they think they got one point of their argument incorrect.
Seriously, train your fire on the people destroying democracy. Not the people you disagree with when they say 3.5% of the populace protesting can make a difference.
@augieray
The poster (and I) largely agree with your points. I personally feel you are over reacting to starting a discussion about one of them.It is important to be open to dialog about things you present in public. We are here in this world to educate and entertain each other, and part of that is listening when you might be wrong, instead of insisting you are infallible.
This isnt a fight, its a discussion. Think about where you are firing, too.
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Today, right-wing accounts on X are posting that ICE and the US are doing “pretti good.” “Don't tread on me” has turned to “Tread on the liberals all you want.”
Trump has flooded Minnesota, which has an estimated undocumented population of around 100,000 (https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/unauthorized-immigrants-country-region), with thousands of masked, armed agents while ignoring red states such as Texas (with 2 million undocumented) and Florida (1.2 million).
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@augieray 100K ICE agents is a huge number. That many people have a large logistics footprint - they all need beds, and food, and places to poop.
Seems to me it would be useful to know where all of them sleep and where they buy their food.
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Are most Americans content to sit back and watch federal officials incite an insurrection, kill Americans, spread bald-faced lies about what happened, and end democracy? Is all that matters that you have a job and the stock market hasn't (yet) crashed? I hope we're better than that. I hope YOU'RE better than that.
It's been generations since Americans have been called upon to be brave, defend our values, and fight for change. Our time has come.
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@augieray Yes, they are. "Moderate" or "centrist" is a polite way of saying embarassed fascist.
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@Finitum @darwinwoodka So, we march there!
@augieray I've been saying this. It has to be personal. The protests have to occur at the homes of those funding and insulated from it.
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@augieray 100K ICE agents is a huge number. That many people have a large logistics footprint - they all need beds, and food, and places to poop.
Seems to me it would be useful to know where all of them sleep and where they buy their food.
@grumble209 I didn't say there were 100,000 ICE agents. I understand the parentheticals might make it a bit difficult to read, so removed, what I said was, "Trump has flooded Minnesota, which has an estimated undocumented population of around 100,000, with thousands of masked, armed agents."
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Kyle Rittenhouse walked up to police carrying an assault weapon during protests in Kenosha, then killed people, and Conservatives called him a hero.
Alex Pretti filmed officers during a protest, kept his handgun holstered, was wrestled to the ground, had his weapon taken away, and then was shot dead, and Conservatives are calling him a terrorist.
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They also lost their minds when a literal insurrectionist was shot while trying to break into secure room, but people on street have no rights whatsoever and it's "just comply" or else it's totally cool to murder you. They are shameless hypocrites and terrible people, and nothing they say should ever be given a shred of consideration, take note of who they are and block/disown. MSM, dems, and too many others have played along for far too long, they're simply horrible lying scumbags and need to be treated as such.
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@augieray
The poster (and I) largely agree with your points. I personally feel you are over reacting to starting a discussion about one of them.It is important to be open to dialog about things you present in public. We are here in this world to educate and entertain each other, and part of that is listening when you might be wrong, instead of insisting you are infallible.
This isnt a fight, its a discussion. Think about where you are firing, too.
@augieray I could have guessed Augie would block me. He seemed like the type that would brook no discussion on his pronouncements.
No loss for me. Like I said, I feel when you post in public, you should listen to arguments made in good faith. Otherwise you are just another talking point parrot.
I understand everyones pissed and raw right now, but fighting each other is what they want. Dont give in like Augie.
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and the NYT helped create it
@darwinwoodka @augieray 100% NYT are #enemiesofthepeople
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@rpin42@mastodon.social @augieray @rpin42@mastodonapp.uk The best non-violent action is a general strike. So long as we look out for each other, no one is harmed from it (other than the system).
@RinostarGames @rpin42@mastodon.social @augieray these days I agree. These are desperate times
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@darwinwoodka @augieray 100% NYT are #enemiesofthepeople
@lawyersgunsnmoney @darwinwoodka If you refuse to welcome people or companies who change and take appropriate action, then don't be surprised when no people or companies change or take appropriate action.
Either welcome change when it happens, or accept that you are part of the reason that stops change from occurring.
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@lawyersgunsnmoney @darwinwoodka If you refuse to welcome people or companies who change and take appropriate action, then don't be surprised when no people or companies change or take appropriate action.
Either welcome change when it happens, or accept that you are part of the reason that stops change from occurring.
@augieray @darwinwoodka Not sure I’m in that camp, but ok. Cook and Bezos were with Dump yesterday so that’s the direction many companies have taken. My view is that the non-MAGA coalition of the willing needs all the help we can get. That said, at some level we’re going to need a better de-Nazification program than they had after WWII.
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@NicelyManifest There are lawyers fighting for the right side. And Trump is losing many cases. But with government agencies purging attorneys who don't agree and many Trump-appointed lawyers protecting him, it isn't a cut-and-dried situation. Making arguments to biased courts isn't always a solution.
@augieray Thanks for informing. Much appreciated. There is hope, even if up against corrupt power.
It baffles me why citizen arrests of failed politicians rarely seems to happen.
I loved the Serbian fight against Milosovic - using humour to belittle him.
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Kyle Rittenhouse walked up to police carrying an assault weapon during protests in Kenosha, then killed people, and Conservatives called him a hero.
Alex Pretti filmed officers during a protest, kept his handgun holstered, was wrestled to the ground, had his weapon taken away, and then was shot dead, and Conservatives are calling him a terrorist.
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Very disturbing, murder in combination with its denial, while obvious evidence available. It is apparently OK to kill those of other opinion, full blowing fascism has arrived.
This only needs a spark to ignite…
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Are most Americans content to sit back and watch federal officials incite an insurrection, kill Americans, spread bald-faced lies about what happened, and end democracy? Is all that matters that you have a job and the stock market hasn't (yet) crashed? I hope we're better than that. I hope YOU'RE better than that.
It's been generations since Americans have been called upon to be brave, defend our values, and fight for change. Our time has come.
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@augieray Our time has come, as it did for my father's generation in 1941. Same enemy, same fight.
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@augieray I've been saying this. It has to be personal. The protests have to occur at the homes of those funding and insulated from it.
@bweller @augieray @Finitum @darwinwoodka Some of the direct action should go there too. Don't forget their yachts and golf clubs too.
That's a big part of how animal rights activists sank that puppy-killing vivisector Huntingdon Life Sciences (HLS). It's also how Atlas was forced off Atlanta's Cop City project.
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@augieray @darwinwoodka Not sure I’m in that camp, but ok. Cook and Bezos were with Dump yesterday so that’s the direction many companies have taken. My view is that the non-MAGA coalition of the willing needs all the help we can get. That said, at some level we’re going to need a better de-Nazification program than they had after WWII.
@lawyersgunsnmoney @augieray @darwinwoodka They didn't use enough rope after WWII.
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@rpin42 You're not wrong, but we need to be clear that the answer is "non-violent protests." The response from police and officials is on them, not on the protesters.
@augieray @rpin42 Note that a lot of armed insurgencies occur as the fallback after a nonviolent protest movement is defeated by armed force.
Example: Iran going hot and heavy after security forces machinegun protesters.
The statistic that armed movements are less successful confuses correlation with causality. The armed movements of the world face a preselected subset of governments that have already committed themselves to defying people's demands whatever it takes. These regimes are much tougher nuts to crack so success rates will be lower.
Toughest of all is a long, bogged-down civil war of attrition that may be won by whichever side is best able to recruit fighters faster than the other side can kill, disable, or capture them. At least in those the government's own atrocities tend to boost recruiting for resistance forces.
That is referred to in one of the Hunger Games movies, where insurgents filming random battlefield footage for a propaganda film accidently catch the napalm bombing of a hospital full of wounded fighters, then shoot down two of the bombers and get that on video too. The resulting video gives the insurgents a huge boost, though the movie overcredits the effect of any one propaganda piece.
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@augieray My guess is that that research hinges on the fact that the people you're protesting against actually have a conscience and are not actively trying to Kill you.
@grumpydad @augieray I've said this many times but will now expand on it: you cannot lie down in front of a column of Nazi panzers and expect them to so much as slow down unless the driver in the lead tank himself both dislikes Hitler and is willing to risk his neck to do something about it.
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@augieray @rpin42 Note that a lot of armed insurgencies occur as the fallback after a nonviolent protest movement is defeated by armed force.
Example: Iran going hot and heavy after security forces machinegun protesters.
The statistic that armed movements are less successful confuses correlation with causality. The armed movements of the world face a preselected subset of governments that have already committed themselves to defying people's demands whatever it takes. These regimes are much tougher nuts to crack so success rates will be lower.
Toughest of all is a long, bogged-down civil war of attrition that may be won by whichever side is best able to recruit fighters faster than the other side can kill, disable, or capture them. At least in those the government's own atrocities tend to boost recruiting for resistance forces.
That is referred to in one of the Hunger Games movies, where insurgents filming random battlefield footage for a propaganda film accidently catch the napalm bombing of a hospital full of wounded fighters, then shoot down two of the bombers and get that on video too. The resulting video gives the insurgents a huge boost, though the movie overcredits the effect of any one propaganda piece.
@LukefromDC @augieray started well but The Hunger Games are a derivative work I believe?
#ItsNotReal Roger Hallam who I recommended earlier seems to think non-violent works even in situations where the administration starts killing. Any fighting back validates the aggressor -
@LukefromDC @augieray started well but The Hunger Games are a derivative work I believe?
#ItsNotReal Roger Hallam who I recommended earlier seems to think non-violent works even in situations where the administration starts killing. Any fighting back validates the aggressor@rpin42 @augieray THAT is something almost opposite my own beliefs-and my own experience. I believe that the more shit you take, the more shit you get. Appeasement and surrender are the road to slavery.
Nazi Germany was defeated on the battlefield, I am convinced stopping them by any other means was impossible.
To reject the right of people and nations threatened by Adolf Hitler to resist by armed force is to demand that they submit to the Holocaust. I believe nobody can ever be obligated to that.
