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  3. The chatter in my TL suggests that we are inching closer to the point where “Trump killed Epstein” becomes a thinkable thought in the mainstream, scrawled on toilet stalls and dumpsters across the USA as a routine rallying cry.

The chatter in my TL suggests that we are inching closer to the point where “Trump killed Epstein” becomes a thinkable thought in the mainstream, scrawled on toilet stalls and dumpsters across the USA as a routine rallying cry.

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  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

    @celeduc
    The thing is, is probably •is• literally unknowable, in “grassy knoll” territory or worse — and, per the thread, if it shifts him in the collective imagination, knowability won’t matter a bit.

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    #33

    FWIW it isn't unknowable: bureaucracy is the art of covering up violence as statecraft.

    the problem is, USA doesn’t have a true 4th estate.

    union busting, pension buyouts & hedge-funded newspapers got rid of 3 generations of journalists who understood statecraft; who were trained to look at bureaucracy as a coverup.

    not a coincidence Reaganism meant the oligarchy spent billions funding false neutrality curriculums in science, tech & journalism.

    @inthehands @celeduc

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    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

      Facts didn’t build this collective delusion, and facts won’t puncture it.

      So yeah, I’m trying to stay diligent about facts where facts matter. I’m trying to stay clear in my own head about what we •know• with high confidence as distinct from what merely seems •likely•.

      And I’m also studying — with careful attention, as a serious matter — what popular imagination is doing to the “100% vibes” foundation of Trumpism. Popular imagination. Not the facts. The vibes.

      /end

      john.brown_typefaceJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #34

      @inthehands
      vibes are a type of fact - dependent on how we define them

      the most basic understanding of vibes is sound vibrations. every sound has a frequency and resonance.

      what will come of the resonance remains to be seen.

      once people feel a wave we have an opportunity to influence others as to the significance of the waves and what moves should be next in response.

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      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

        The chatter in my TL suggests that we are inching closer to the point where “Trump killed Epstein” becomes a thinkable thought in the mainstream, scrawled on toilet stalls and dumpsters across the USA as a routine rallying cry.

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        #35

        @inthehands
        Who knows if Epstein actually died... minimal investigation?? Why a total lack of thoroughness for investigating the death of a significant party, or maybe there wasn't a death so there waa no need to investigate ... #Epstein #Coverup

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        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

          For a vibes-based cult of personality, it’s the kiss of death for a thought like “Trump killed Epstein” to become a mainstream refrain.

          It’s an exit ramp from Trumpism.

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          #36

          @inthehands Or it'll make him even more popular. "See? He really did break the Satanic Democratic Pedophile Ring(tm)!"

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          • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

            Facts didn’t build this collective delusion, and facts won’t puncture it.

            So yeah, I’m trying to stay diligent about facts where facts matter. I’m trying to stay clear in my own head about what we •know• with high confidence as distinct from what merely seems •likely•.

            And I’m also studying — with careful attention, as a serious matter — what popular imagination is doing to the “100% vibes” foundation of Trumpism. Popular imagination. Not the facts. The vibes.

            /end

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            #37

            @inthehands It didn't matter that Marie Antoinette didn't ever say "Let them eat cake!"*, her general attitude and the feelings were against her by the point she got into the carriage to flee. Or, as somebody else said: "People can forget what you did, but never how you made them feel."

            *The quote originally wasn't even attributed to her, and it was not cake, but brioche, which is a kind of bread, but that's historical sentiment for you.

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            • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

              The chatter in my TL suggests that we are inching closer to the point where “Trump killed Epstein” becomes a thinkable thought in the mainstream, scrawled on toilet stalls and dumpsters across the USA as a routine rallying cry.

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              crumbletiltskinC This user is from outside of this forum
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              #38

              @inthehands

              he wouldn't have killed him without Mossad's blessing

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              • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                The chatter in my TL suggests that we are inching closer to the point where “Trump killed Epstein” becomes a thinkable thought in the mainstream, scrawled on toilet stalls and dumpsters across the USA as a routine rallying cry.

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                #39

                @inthehands

                "But not in a good way"

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                • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                  Who knows whether somebody actually •did• have Epstein murdered, Trump or otherwise. It’s likely we’ll never have either a smoking gun or a definitive rebuttal.

                  And that may not matter — I’m talking about •vibes•, about the Overton Window of conspiracy theories, about just how many people are so sick Epstein and Trump and all these people that they don’t need any more evidence to want all their legacies flushed down history’s toilet.

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                  #40

                  @inthehands Unless his cellmate, the ex-agent incarcerated for strangling people, confesses the murder.

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                  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                    For a vibes-based cult of personality, it’s the kiss of death for a thought like “Trump killed Epstein” to become a mainstream refrain.

                    It’s an exit ramp from Trumpism.

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                    #41

                    @inthehands it would be funny if the same q-fed reality-tunneling that aided his rise to power also helped take him down without intersecting with the real world at all

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                    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                      @blogdiva
                      I mean, it all sure smells fishier than a bucket of week-old chum.

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                      #42

                      @inthehands for reals.

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                      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                        The chatter in my TL suggests that we are inching closer to the point where “Trump killed Epstein” becomes a thinkable thought in the mainstream, scrawled on toilet stalls and dumpsters across the USA as a routine rallying cry.

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                        #43

                        @inthehands it could have been any of his 'clients' - any one of them have enough 💰 to bribe/pay for a hit.
                        #epstein

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                        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                          Who knows whether somebody actually •did• have Epstein murdered, Trump or otherwise. It’s likely we’ll never have either a smoking gun or a definitive rebuttal.

                          And that may not matter — I’m talking about •vibes•, about the Overton Window of conspiracy theories, about just how many people are so sick Epstein and Trump and all these people that they don’t need any more evidence to want all their legacies flushed down history’s toilet.

                          2/

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                          draNgNon
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                          #44

                          @inthehands the chatter in my timeline is different: Epstein isn't dead, the files corroborate some wild 4chan thread and de anonymous the poster.

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                          • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                            Facts •do• matter. The thing is, vibes matter too.

                            This thread was prompted by this story (ht @tomcapuder and @StillIRise1963), which is •so• tantalizing and so aligned with what I •want• to be true that all my skepticism alarm bells are going off:

                            https://www.rawstory.com/jeffrey-epstein-2675132346/

                            If if we’re holding a trial or writing a history, well…I’ll wait for the dust to settle, expecting this not to hold up. Facts matter. But — no, not “but”…AND…

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                            #45

                            @inthehands i personally wouldn’t include the guy who writes press releases into a conspiracy to fake a billionaires suicide.

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                            • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                              Facts •do• matter. The thing is, vibes matter too.

                              This thread was prompted by this story (ht @tomcapuder and @StillIRise1963), which is •so• tantalizing and so aligned with what I •want• to be true that all my skepticism alarm bells are going off:

                              https://www.rawstory.com/jeffrey-epstein-2675132346/

                              If if we’re holding a trial or writing a history, well…I’ll wait for the dust to settle, expecting this not to hold up. Facts matter. But — no, not “but”…AND…

                              5/

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                              wrote last edited by
                              #46

                              @inthehands @tomcapuder @StillIRise1963

                              Trump has murdered far more for much less of a reason. That is really all I need to know.

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                              • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                The chatter in my TL suggests that we are inching closer to the point where “Trump killed Epstein” becomes a thinkable thought in the mainstream, scrawled on toilet stalls and dumpsters across the USA as a routine rallying cry.

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                                staringatclouds
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                                #47

                                @inthehands I thought that the day Epstein was reported dead

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