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I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

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  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

    Finnish universities 1996:

    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

    Finnish universities 2026:

    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

    Learned helplessness.

    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

    ΓιανίρηςI This user is from outside of this forum
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    #Finland B 4 NATO and Finland after

    Linux before Trovalds became a millionaire and after ... he moved to FB-land

    @anttipeltola

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    • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

      @anttipeltola

      Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

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      @tuban_muzuru @anttipeltola

      Well, one less social interaction for the customer, and less need for a dedicated cashier.

      By local standards, this counts as a win-win.

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      • HannuF Hannu

        @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

        Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
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        @FknHannu

        Yup. Over 500 boosts now. That's "going viral" for me.

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        • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

          @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

          The age-old Silicon Valley trick of freeloading on others' free labour and making huge profits out of enshittification while calling themselves "innovators".

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          #25

          @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

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          • AlexM Alex

            @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

            Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
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            #26

            @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

            Yes, this could be a reasonable anarchist solution for taking down the system without firing a shot.

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            • Petri SalmelaP This user is from outside of this forum
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              @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

              (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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              • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                Finnish universities 1996:

                "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                Finnish universities 2026:

                "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                Learned helplessness.

                #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                TommiT This user is from outside of this forum
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                @anttipeltola found it!

                https://jontka.fi/@tommi/116011921642382637

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                • Petri SalmelaP Petri Salmela

                  @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                  (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                  @anttipeltola @openfactory @pesasa wasn't ssh deveped while Ylönen was researcher at Helsinki University of Technology?

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                  • Kähisijäahon Pää-ÄljyP Kähisijäahon Pää-Äljy

                    @anttipeltola @openfactory @pesasa wasn't ssh deveped while Ylönen was researcher at Helsinki University of Technology?

                    Petri SalmelaP This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #30

                    @anttipeltola @openfactory @poppis Yes exactly. My mistake.

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                    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                      Finnish universities 1996:

                      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                      Finnish universities 2026:

                      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                      Learned helplessness.

                      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                      #31

                      @anttipeltola

                      I would think if any country could do it, Finland could

                      Finland already has the best open instance of #Friendica in English

                      govts could do like France & make all employees be off certain platforms that collect data

                      they could even subsidize an instance of an opensource friend app for citizens

                      reaching out individually to get a friend to switch platforms rarely works. We could set up a #meta mass exodus day

                      people will go where their friends & people go

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                      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                        Finnish universities 1996:

                        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                        Finnish universities 2026:

                        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                        Learned helplessness.

                        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                        @anttipeltola But there's no connection between that and getting hoodwinked into NATO because the population is this dumb.
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                        • Petri SalmelaP Petri Salmela

                          @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                          (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                          @pesasa @anttipeltola

                          and another challenging thing is that if we look at our own community, even the citysec' are all moving towards slack/gmail/discord instead of running our own. At least @turkusec is on mastodon - dunno about any other here.

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                          • BfPVDFUeO BfPVDFUe

                            @pesasa @anttipeltola

                            and another challenging thing is that if we look at our own community, even the citysec' are all moving towards slack/gmail/discord instead of running our own. At least @turkusec is on mastodon - dunno about any other here.

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                            @openfactory @pesasa @anttipeltola Indeed! It's a bit of a shame - the lower rate of adoption. Hopefully, there will be more people/organizations joining the fediverse

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                            • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                              I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                              Finnish universities 1996:

                              "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                              Finnish universities 2026:

                              "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                              Learned helplessness.

                              #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                              @anttipeltola the early 90s Internet in the NORDUnet space was so excellent. Plenty of great things coming out of universities during that time. Visiting some of these places now, they’re all rumning on either Google or O365 and American social media. IT departments don’t work with the faculties anymore. Etc etc

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                              • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                Finnish universities 1996:

                                "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                Finnish universities 2026:

                                "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                Learned helplessness.

                                #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                                #36

                                @anttipeltola
                                I was thinking the other day that a step to securing an open internet would be for a collaborative state organisation such as the European Union to organise and fund an explicitly non-political org for the creation and management of an open standards browser (with plugins framework)

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                                • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                  I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                  Finnish universities 1996:

                                  "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                  Finnish universities 2026:

                                  "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                  Learned helplessness.

                                  #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                                  @anttipeltola Meanwhile a certain Finnish student:

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                                    @StryderNotavi @funambolo @anttipeltola oh yes. running on cloud, vendors are also less incentivized to write efficient code. if they spend a million on aws anyways, they won’t mind a 200k software license on top of that. You’ll have a harder time selling the same solution if your software runs just fine on just 2 servers from 5 years ago.

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                                    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                      Finnish universities 1996:

                                      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                      Finnish universities 2026:

                                      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                      Learned helplessness.

                                      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                                      Vincent Sparks 🔙 Further Confusion
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                                      @anttipeltola in fairness, when you want to do public communications, you can't ask the public to come to you

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                                      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                        Finnish universities 1996:

                                        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                        Finnish universities 2026:

                                        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                        Learned helplessness.

                                        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                        Jörn NettingsmeierN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @anttipeltola German universities in 2002: we use Java on Windows because it was there. German universities today: we don't understand the problem, we use X and Tiktok, plus you can follow a small subset of classes on MS Teams.

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                                        • FunamboloF Funambolo

                                          @anttipeltola exactly. It is also absurd how the public sector believes it is ok to pay hundreds of millions of euros to U.S. companies instead of probably spending a fraction of that money build their own solution based on existing open source code and open standard.

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                                          @funambolo @anttipeltola And as the public sector is mainly financed through taxes taken from the workforce, it's a shame.

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