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I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

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  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

    Finnish universities 1996:

    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

    Finnish universities 2026:

    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

    Learned helplessness.

    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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    nothacking
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    @anttipeltola There are lots of organizations and businesses that have a website, but refuse to use it:

    > For opening hours, please see our instagram

    You're lucky to find the address on the web. Anything remotely useful will be locked on a platform where you can't even read it without making an account.

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    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

      Finnish universities 1996:

      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

      Finnish universities 2026:

      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

      Learned helplessness.

      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

      HannuF This user is from outside of this forum
      HannuF This user is from outside of this forum
      Hannu
      wrote last edited by
      #18

      @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

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      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

        Finnish universities 1996:

        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

        Finnish universities 2026:

        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

        Learned helplessness.

        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

        VladimirC This user is from outside of this forum
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        Vladimir
        wrote last edited by
        #19

        @anttipeltola Microsoft DreamsPark/Azure Tools for Teaching.

        Let's put it this way: for past 15 years, life science graduates with pretty advanced degrees can't do a non-linear regression unless there is a specific 1000 EUR per year per user software package provided.

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        • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

          I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

          Finnish universities 1996:

          "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

          Finnish universities 2026:

          "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

          Learned helplessness.

          #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

          tuban_muzuruT This user is from outside of this forum
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          tuban_muzuru
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          #20

          @anttipeltola

          Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

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          • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

            I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

            Finnish universities 1996:

            "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

            Finnish universities 2026:

            "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

            Learned helplessness.

            #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

            FoolishOwlF This user is from outside of this forum
            FoolishOwlF This user is from outside of this forum
            FoolishOwl
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            #21

            @anttipeltola When I've read histories of computers and programming, I was surprised how often Finnish universities were mentioned.

            This also sounds like what's happened with universities in the US. In the 90s, a lot of significant software was developed and supported by universities and government-funded research organizations. But universities ended up outsourcing their IT.

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            • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

              I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

              Finnish universities 1996:

              "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

              Finnish universities 2026:

              "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

              Learned helplessness.

              #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

              ΓιανίρηςI This user is from outside of this forum
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              Γιανίρης
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              #22

              #Finland B 4 NATO and Finland after

              Linux before Trovalds became a millionaire and after ... he moved to FB-land

              @anttipeltola

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              • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

                @anttipeltola

                Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

                Juho MäntysaloI This user is from outside of this forum
                Juho MäntysaloI This user is from outside of this forum
                Juho Mäntysalo
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                #23

                @tuban_muzuru @anttipeltola

                Well, one less social interaction for the customer, and less need for a dedicated cashier.

                By local standards, this counts as a win-win.

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                • HannuF Hannu

                  @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

                  Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Antti Peltola ⁂
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                  #24

                  @FknHannu

                  Yup. Over 500 boosts now. That's "going viral" for me.

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                  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                    @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                    The age-old Silicon Valley trick of freeloading on others' free labour and making huge profits out of enshittification while calling themselves "innovators".

                    AlexM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Alex
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                    #25

                    @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

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                    • AlexM Alex

                      @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

                      Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Antti Peltola ⁂
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                      @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                      Yes, this could be a reasonable anarchist solution for taking down the system without firing a shot.

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                      • Petri SalmelaP This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                        (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                        • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                          I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                          Finnish universities 1996:

                          "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                          Finnish universities 2026:

                          "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                          Learned helplessness.

                          #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                          TommiT This user is from outside of this forum
                          TommiT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @anttipeltola found it!

                          https://jontka.fi/@tommi/116011921642382637

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                          • Petri SalmelaP Petri Salmela

                            @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                            (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                            Kähisijäahon Pää-Äljy
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                            @anttipeltola @openfactory @pesasa wasn't ssh deveped while Ylönen was researcher at Helsinki University of Technology?

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                            • Kähisijäahon Pää-ÄljyP Kähisijäahon Pää-Äljy

                              @anttipeltola @openfactory @pesasa wasn't ssh deveped while Ylönen was researcher at Helsinki University of Technology?

                              Petri SalmelaP This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @anttipeltola @openfactory @poppis Yes exactly. My mistake.

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                              • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                Finnish universities 1996:

                                "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                Finnish universities 2026:

                                "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                Learned helplessness.

                                #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                WorldTravelerAll7W This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #31

                                @anttipeltola

                                I would think if any country could do it, Finland could

                                Finland already has the best open instance of #Friendica in English

                                govts could do like France & make all employees be off certain platforms that collect data

                                they could even subsidize an instance of an opensource friend app for citizens

                                reaching out individually to get a friend to switch platforms rarely works. We could set up a #meta mass exodus day

                                people will go where their friends & people go

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                                • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                  I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                  Finnish universities 1996:

                                  "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                  Finnish universities 2026:

                                  "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                  Learned helplessness.

                                  #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                                  @anttipeltola But there's no connection between that and getting hoodwinked into NATO because the population is this dumb.
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                                  • Petri SalmelaP Petri Salmela

                                    @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                                    (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                                    @pesasa @anttipeltola

                                    and another challenging thing is that if we look at our own community, even the citysec' are all moving towards slack/gmail/discord instead of running our own. At least @turkusec is on mastodon - dunno about any other here.

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                                    • BfPVDFUeO BfPVDFUe

                                      @pesasa @anttipeltola

                                      and another challenging thing is that if we look at our own community, even the citysec' are all moving towards slack/gmail/discord instead of running our own. At least @turkusec is on mastodon - dunno about any other here.

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                                      #34

                                      @openfactory @pesasa @anttipeltola Indeed! It's a bit of a shame - the lower rate of adoption. Hopefully, there will be more people/organizations joining the fediverse

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                                      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                        Finnish universities 1996:

                                        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                        Finnish universities 2026:

                                        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                        Learned helplessness.

                                        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                        Tero Hänninen0 This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Tero Hänninen
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                                        #35

                                        @anttipeltola the early 90s Internet in the NORDUnet space was so excellent. Plenty of great things coming out of universities during that time. Visiting some of these places now, they’re all rumning on either Google or O365 and American social media. IT departments don’t work with the faculties anymore. Etc etc

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                                        • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                          I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                          Finnish universities 1996:

                                          "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                          Finnish universities 2026:

                                          "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                          Learned helplessness.

                                          #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                                          #36

                                          @anttipeltola
                                          I was thinking the other day that a step to securing an open internet would be for a collaborative state organisation such as the European Union to organise and fund an explicitly non-political org for the creation and management of an open standards browser (with plugins framework)

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