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I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

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  • Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺K Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺

    @anttipeltola

    Creating a successful Facebook replacement has little to do with underlying technology or university education system. Success depends far more on access to deep, liquid capital markets and a large domestic market that can serve as a launching pad for international growth.

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    #15

    @kongakong @anttipeltola The point is that institutions don't need a facebook replacement to be built. Personally I don't see why a simple website isn't enough, but people seem to be less and less able to even create those.

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    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

      Finnish universities 1996:

      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

      Finnish universities 2026:

      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

      Learned helplessness.

      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

      CalcaneoU This user is from outside of this forum
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      #16

      @anttipeltola It makes me so sad to see this is true elsewhere... I truly thought it was a local problem for us 😞

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      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

        Finnish universities 1996:

        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

        Finnish universities 2026:

        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

        Learned helplessness.

        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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        nothacking
        wrote last edited by
        #17

        @anttipeltola There are lots of organizations and businesses that have a website, but refuse to use it:

        > For opening hours, please see our instagram

        You're lucky to find the address on the web. Anything remotely useful will be locked on a platform where you can't even read it without making an account.

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        • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

          I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

          Finnish universities 1996:

          "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

          Finnish universities 2026:

          "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

          Learned helplessness.

          #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

          HannuF This user is from outside of this forum
          HannuF This user is from outside of this forum
          Hannu
          wrote last edited by
          #18

          @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

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          • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

            I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

            Finnish universities 1996:

            "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

            Finnish universities 2026:

            "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

            Learned helplessness.

            #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

            VladimirC This user is from outside of this forum
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            Vladimir
            wrote last edited by
            #19

            @anttipeltola Microsoft DreamsPark/Azure Tools for Teaching.

            Let's put it this way: for past 15 years, life science graduates with pretty advanced degrees can't do a non-linear regression unless there is a specific 1000 EUR per year per user software package provided.

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            • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

              I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

              Finnish universities 1996:

              "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

              Finnish universities 2026:

              "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

              Learned helplessness.

              #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

              tuban_muzuruT This user is from outside of this forum
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              tuban_muzuru
              wrote last edited by
              #20

              @anttipeltola

              Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

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              • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                Finnish universities 1996:

                "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                Finnish universities 2026:

                "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                Learned helplessness.

                #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                FoolishOwlF This user is from outside of this forum
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                FoolishOwl
                wrote last edited by
                #21

                @anttipeltola When I've read histories of computers and programming, I was surprised how often Finnish universities were mentioned.

                This also sounds like what's happened with universities in the US. In the 90s, a lot of significant software was developed and supported by universities and government-funded research organizations. But universities ended up outsourcing their IT.

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                • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                  I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                  Finnish universities 1996:

                  "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                  Finnish universities 2026:

                  "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                  Learned helplessness.

                  #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                  ΓιανίρηςI This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Γιανίρης
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                  #22

                  #Finland B 4 NATO and Finland after

                  Linux before Trovalds became a millionaire and after ... he moved to FB-land

                  @anttipeltola

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                  • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

                    @anttipeltola

                    Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

                    Juho MäntysaloI This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Juho Mäntysalo
                    wrote last edited by
                    #23

                    @tuban_muzuru @anttipeltola

                    Well, one less social interaction for the customer, and less need for a dedicated cashier.

                    By local standards, this counts as a win-win.

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                    • HannuF Hannu

                      @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

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                      Antti Peltola ⁂
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                      #24

                      @FknHannu

                      Yup. Over 500 boosts now. That's "going viral" for me.

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                      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                        @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                        The age-old Silicon Valley trick of freeloading on others' free labour and making huge profits out of enshittification while calling themselves "innovators".

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                        Alex
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                        #25

                        @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

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                        • AlexM Alex

                          @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

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                          @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                          Yes, this could be a reasonable anarchist solution for taking down the system without firing a shot.

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                            @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                            (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                            • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                              I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                              Finnish universities 1996:

                              "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                              Finnish universities 2026:

                              "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                              Learned helplessness.

                              #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                              TommiT This user is from outside of this forum
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                              wrote last edited by
                              #28

                              @anttipeltola found it!

                              https://jontka.fi/@tommi/116011921642382637

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                              • Petri SalmelaP Petri Salmela

                                @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                                (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                                Kähisijäahon Pää-Äljy
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                                @anttipeltola @openfactory @pesasa wasn't ssh deveped while Ylönen was researcher at Helsinki University of Technology?

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                                • Kähisijäahon Pää-ÄljyP Kähisijäahon Pää-Äljy

                                  @anttipeltola @openfactory @pesasa wasn't ssh deveped while Ylönen was researcher at Helsinki University of Technology?

                                  Petri SalmelaP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #30

                                  @anttipeltola @openfactory @poppis Yes exactly. My mistake.

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                                  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                    Finnish universities 1996:

                                    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                    Finnish universities 2026:

                                    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                    Learned helplessness.

                                    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                                    WorldTravelerAll7
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                                    #31

                                    @anttipeltola

                                    I would think if any country could do it, Finland could

                                    Finland already has the best open instance of #Friendica in English

                                    govts could do like France & make all employees be off certain platforms that collect data

                                    they could even subsidize an instance of an opensource friend app for citizens

                                    reaching out individually to get a friend to switch platforms rarely works. We could set up a #meta mass exodus day

                                    people will go where their friends & people go

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                                    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                      Finnish universities 1996:

                                      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                      Finnish universities 2026:

                                      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                      Learned helplessness.

                                      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                                      Account: Politics
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                                      #32
                                      @anttipeltola But there's no connection between that and getting hoodwinked into NATO because the population is this dumb.
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                                      • Petri SalmelaP Petri Salmela

                                        @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                                        (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                                        #33

                                        @pesasa @anttipeltola

                                        and another challenging thing is that if we look at our own community, even the citysec' are all moving towards slack/gmail/discord instead of running our own. At least @turkusec is on mastodon - dunno about any other here.

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                                        • BfPVDFUeO BfPVDFUe

                                          @pesasa @anttipeltola

                                          and another challenging thing is that if we look at our own community, even the citysec' are all moving towards slack/gmail/discord instead of running our own. At least @turkusec is on mastodon - dunno about any other here.

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                                          TurkuSec ry
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                                          #34

                                          @openfactory @pesasa @anttipeltola Indeed! It's a bit of a shame - the lower rate of adoption. Hopefully, there will be more people/organizations joining the fediverse

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