Is there a way to set recurring tasks (daily, every Wednesday etc) in #NextCloud tasks?
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Gawd, the shit I got when I waded into a "discussion" on Instagram about how "men are so helpless and useless and they need to be given a LIST of chores before they will help" and I chimed in: "Actually I have ADHD and if my ex had given me a specific, detailed list instead of just telling me to 'look around and see what needs done' and then getting MAD that I didn't do what HE WANTED DONE maybe I wouldn't have this huge emotional trauma" and it turned into: "YOU'RE JUST ENABLING LAZY MEN AND GIVING THEM EXCUSES, ADHD ISN'T A GOOD EXCUSE, EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TO CLEAN"… …um, no, not everyone does. And it's really fucking sexist to assume that WOMEN ESPECIALLY are "born with" this knowledge and skill set and little "habit tracker" already programmed in.
@harriehq I think most of us benefit from lists, at least until they figure out the routine. If routines are hard to form, then lists are necessary. The whole stereotypes and roles thing is cultural and true, but it's also not something written in stone that can't be changed. I do not know what I want to say with this. Maybe that if you have learned something at a young age or out of necessity or it's part of your "love-language" it's "easy" even if you don't particulary like or enjoy @afewbugs
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@harriehq I think most of us benefit from lists, at least until they figure out the routine. If routines are hard to form, then lists are necessary. The whole stereotypes and roles thing is cultural and true, but it's also not something written in stone that can't be changed. I do not know what I want to say with this. Maybe that if you have learned something at a young age or out of necessity or it's part of your "love-language" it's "easy" even if you don't particulary like or enjoy @afewbugs
@harriehq it. For me it means cooking, emptying the dishwasher, hoovering, washing the sinks and toilets etc. That's me showing I can make my loved ones' day at least half decent. I don't need appraisal for that, because it's necessary to balance the daily load somehow. A reminder for some of the less routinely occurring stuff would make life easier though.
I struggle with organizing objects that do not yet have a clear destination or space to put them into, so I do other things. @afewbugs -
@afewbugs i think to a certain extent it's just *easier* to make a task manager that only handles one-off tasks. a lot easier.
which is to say, there may (only may) be no misogeny here, just a complete lack of ability to actually *define* the problem before they try to solve it…
@fishidwardrobe Why are there examples of taskmanagers with recurring tasks then? Why is it so hard to accept a solution to a feature request that is seemingly popular but gets ignored usually with "we value stability more" nothingburger arguments? https://github.com/nextcloud/tasks/pull/2318 @afewbugs
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@fishidwardrobe Why are there examples of taskmanagers with recurring tasks then? Why is it so hard to accept a solution to a feature request that is seemingly popular but gets ignored usually with "we value stability more" nothingburger arguments? https://github.com/nextcloud/tasks/pull/2318 @afewbugs
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Guess which one usually gets handed to which gender. Men tend to get the one off high profile, highly regarded tasks (build the shed or the kitchen or the database), women tend to get the recurring tasks (clean the house, make sure the invoices are paid on time) that don't get the respect the one off tasks get but without which the big one off projects couldn't happen.
@afewbugs Absolutely. And often, the unlauded/unbudgeted maintenance is critically important: when it doesn’t get properly considered in design, or carried out well, the [impressive ego] project fails! Thinking here about some high-profile buildings designed by “star” architects which develop costly leaks. Also about the huge amounts of public infrastructure, e.g. bridges, which have been poorly maintained such that they now need actual replacement at tremendous public inconvenience and expense.
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@harriehq I think most of us benefit from lists, at least until they figure out the routine. If routines are hard to form, then lists are necessary. The whole stereotypes and roles thing is cultural and true, but it's also not something written in stone that can't be changed. I do not know what I want to say with this. Maybe that if you have learned something at a young age or out of necessity or it's part of your "love-language" it's "easy" even if you don't particulary like or enjoy @afewbugs
I think
1) Lots of women think "everyone knows how to clean" because they don't realize how THEY'VE been conditioned since childhood to be the ones who clean up while the boys get to goof off, and the grown men lounge around watching football after Thanksgiving dinner…
2) For those of us girls who "slipped through the cracks" and didn't get turned into miniature maids by our mothers, learning as an adult can be difficult. Especially throwing neurodivergence into the mix. The people screaming at me were saying "IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO CLEAN, LEARN! YOU'RE AN ADULT! MAKE SOME EFFORT! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY! WE'RE NOT HOLDING ANYONE'S HAND!!" But — like, if you started a new job, you wouldn't just get turned loose on day one with no guidance. And with AuDHD, I need help finding a "starting point." I need examples of what "needs to be done" (or what's expected of me) so I can use it as a guide and reference in the future. Especially with my ex expecting me to just read his mind… Sorry, that's not something I can "teach myself." Dude can't get mad at me for not meeting his standards when he refused to communicate what those standards were. Except he absolutely did get furious. -
If you build a task manager without the facility to do recurring tasks that tells me a) you're not the one doing the recurring maintenance tasks and b) you either don't recognise the importance of maintenance tasks or you haven't even noticed that they're being done around you to allow you to do the big one off production of a European open source task manager, say.
Come on, it's 2026. Do better men. And it is mostly men.
@afewbugs whew, this was straight
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I think
1) Lots of women think "everyone knows how to clean" because they don't realize how THEY'VE been conditioned since childhood to be the ones who clean up while the boys get to goof off, and the grown men lounge around watching football after Thanksgiving dinner…
2) For those of us girls who "slipped through the cracks" and didn't get turned into miniature maids by our mothers, learning as an adult can be difficult. Especially throwing neurodivergence into the mix. The people screaming at me were saying "IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO CLEAN, LEARN! YOU'RE AN ADULT! MAKE SOME EFFORT! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY! WE'RE NOT HOLDING ANYONE'S HAND!!" But — like, if you started a new job, you wouldn't just get turned loose on day one with no guidance. And with AuDHD, I need help finding a "starting point." I need examples of what "needs to be done" (or what's expected of me) so I can use it as a guide and reference in the future. Especially with my ex expecting me to just read his mind… Sorry, that's not something I can "teach myself." Dude can't get mad at me for not meeting his standards when he refused to communicate what those standards were. Except he absolutely did get furious. -
If you build a task manager without the facility to do recurring tasks that tells me a) you're not the one doing the recurring maintenance tasks and b) you either don't recognise the importance of maintenance tasks or you haven't even noticed that they're being done around you to allow you to do the big one off production of a European open source task manager, say.
Come on, it's 2026. Do better men. And it is mostly men.
@afewbugs This.
But also, what do they think people use a task manager _for_? Recurring tasks that don't happen often enough to be part of the daily routine are exactly the ones that people like me want a program to manage.
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@afewbugs As someone who struggles with doing things on a schedule, IMO there's a sub-type of the second - the tasks that need to be done some amount of time after they were *last* done, whether or not that actually matched the schedule. I want to push a button to indicate that the sheets have in fact been changed, and the next reminder should be X weeks after that date, not end up at odds with the calender because they actually got changed 3 days after the reminder and the skew just keeps accumulating. I don't think I've ever seen this option in any scheduling software.
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@afewbugs @suearcher my favourite repeat offender is having unsealed chipboard or MDF edges butted against a tiled floor, which is tiled because you expect (a) people to spill liquids on it and (b) it to he mopped regularly... Those edges soak up gross liquids and the wood expands and rots... In my home I've run a fat bead of silicone caulk around the edges of the kitchen and bathroom floors! Also turns the acute 90° grime trap into two 45°s so easier to clean!
One of my favourites is the church hall stairs, which have a chrome rail and glass panel bannister. But they turn 180 degrees halfway up, so a large part of two of the glass panels overlap with a narrow gap, making them difficult to reach to clean.
And outside, where the ramp that goes from the church yard gate to the hall door cuts across two of the window niches, providing a lovely spot for autumn leaves to gather, with only a very narrow gap to get a broom in.
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@afewbugs There's one thing that I can somewhat, only a bit, accept as an excuse for talking about NextCloud in particular: It operates on CalDAV Standards and the Tasks part of that ... sucks badly. Like, terrible. I've not been happy with any of CalDAV synced Tasks because not only is support shoddy, but for exactly the reason you give.
However, NextCloud could – as any one of the stakeholders – try to push for something different or find ways to enable this use case better.
Case in point: What do people use for such tasks? Alarms are... hard to manage. Calendar entries are overwhelming. I try paper but I forget too often.
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@suearcher @kitten_tech This was all before my time so I didn't witness it, but we did have to live with the consequences when I was working there which were that the top floor of the building was unbearably hot every summer due to being encased in a hastily erected greenhouse
@afewbugs @suearcher @kitten_tech that sounds like the shiny PFI hospital in my home town. Tony Blair was *so proud* of the whole thing.
But they gave the atrium a glass roof three stories high. This did not impress the receptionists expected to work there when they were sweating so much they struggled to hold onto the phones. Neither were they at all happy with the absolute cacophony every time it rained, meaning they were shouting sensitive information to patients to be heard.
The rest of the building was similarly unsuitable. The doors were only just wide enough to get a hospital bed through. Porters had to work out complicated ways of opening the door, holding it with one foot, squeezing the bed through, and then going after it. They could have had extra space for wide, swinging doors, but they wasted so much on the damned atrium! -
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@afewbugs @suearcher @kitten_tech that sounds like the shiny PFI hospital in my home town. Tony Blair was *so proud* of the whole thing.
But they gave the atrium a glass roof three stories high. This did not impress the receptionists expected to work there when they were sweating so much they struggled to hold onto the phones. Neither were they at all happy with the absolute cacophony every time it rained, meaning they were shouting sensitive information to patients to be heard.
The rest of the building was similarly unsuitable. The doors were only just wide enough to get a hospital bed through. Porters had to work out complicated ways of opening the door, holding it with one foot, squeezing the bed through, and then going after it. They could have had extra space for wide, swinging doors, but they wasted so much on the damned atrium!@jetlagjen @afewbugs @kitten_tech
Considering it apparently takes 7 or 8 years to qualify as an Architect, you'd think they'd be taught some useful stuff at some point.
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@jetlagjen @afewbugs @kitten_tech
Considering it apparently takes 7 or 8 years to qualify as an Architect, you'd think they'd be taught some useful stuff at some point.
@suearcher @jetlagjen @afewbugs @kitten_tech
If something has won architecture awards, I know it's probably inaccessible for me at a sensory level while being "accessible" on paper cos our regulations are minimal.
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Org-mode has good recurrence, plus/minus all the decisions being right there in the text file.
It’s interesting comparing how org-mode and Todoist handle some things that aren’t obvious re. what we want the system to “just do”
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Org-mode has good recurrence, plus/minus all the decisions being right there in the text file.
It’s interesting comparing how org-mode and Todoist handle some things that aren’t obvious re. what we want the system to “just do”
It’s MORE interesting, cough cough, that there are *two* open and well established task systems with recurrence and it still isn’t managed by a big attempt. (Meaning org-mode and cron. )
