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  3. The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s.

The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s.

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  • Peter BrownP Peter Brown

    @elasticsoul after threatening to invade Canada surely they’re not surprised that they don’t want to buy their planes?

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    @peterbrown

    You would think. However, the current US regime is very unaware. I guess that’s what happens when they’re all sociopaths.

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    • AnnieBuddyA AnnieBuddy

      @pedrobizbikedu @elasticsoul @EricLawton

      Trust is more valuable than the dollar.

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      @AnnieBuddy @pedrobizbikedu @EricLawton

      100% correct. And now the Americans have done enough damage to themselves that it looks like the US Dollar is on its way out as the world’s reserve currency. The US is going to be a poorer nation for generations.

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      • De_MinimisD De_Minimis

        @elasticsoul Take the first batch which are coming off the production lines now, cancel the rest. Then go full-on with the Gripen.

        This fulfills the NORAD commitment the nazi's are crying about.

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        @De_Minimis

        The thing is, would you trust the Americans to honour NORAD commitments themselves? Can the Americans be trusted to honour any agreements now? It seems clear the answer is no.

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        • Brian GordonE Brian Gordon

          @alessandro @jhooper

          I honestly think that the F-35 should be ruled out on strategic grounds. It requires maintenance that only the US can do, the US cannot be trusted to keep them in the air on Canada’s behalf, and the US is currently the country most likely to invade Canada.

          Alessandro Corazza 🇨🇦A This user is from outside of this forum
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          @elasticsoul

          Those are good reasons - the big question is how likely that overt aggression from the USA is, versus against our current requirements. I don't think we're dark-skinned enough for them to go that far.

          @jhooper

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          • AssimilateborgA Assimilateborg

            @elasticsoul oh... let's play this game:
            "Because of the US tariffs, Canada has not enough money to buy F-35 Jets"
            It makes no sense, but Trump does not make sense, so he will understand.

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            @assimilateborg @elasticsoul
            As with Europe, he will suggest Canada impose austerity on its citizens and divert funding from public services to military.

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            • Brian GordonE Brian Gordon

              @De_Minimis

              The thing is, would you trust the Americans to honour NORAD commitments themselves? Can the Americans be trusted to honour any agreements now? It seems clear the answer is no.

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              @elasticsoul But you still had to clean your room and take out the garbage as a kid when your parents asked.

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              • Brian GordonE Brian Gordon

                @jfmezei @DavidM_yeg @su_liam @troy_frizzell

                The war turned to drones because they’re the most economical and useful, not because the West wouldn’t supply jets. I agree 100% with the above posters that drones - air, land, and sea - are the future. They’re vastly more economical, pilots can be trained far more quickly and cheaply, and they can and do take out bigger, expensive hardware. Canada should be partnering with Ukraine to build this tech in Canada.

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                @elasticsoul @DavidM_yeg @su_liam @troy_frizzell I don't disagree about drones. But you still need jets to patrol large areas. You still need helicopters for search and rescue, or to drop troups off in an area.

                Military is more than fighting a war.

                However, if, at very start of the war, the west had provided air defense to bomb any Russians entering Ukraine at the border, the outcome of war would be different. Drones didn't yet exist, though the cruise missiles (glorified and expensive drones) did.

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                • Brian GordonE Brian Gordon

                  @AnnieBuddy @pedrobizbikedu @EricLawton

                  100% correct. And now the Americans have done enough damage to themselves that it looks like the US Dollar is on its way out as the world’s reserve currency. The US is going to be a poorer nation for generations.

                  Die Kehrseite #DeSlopYourLifeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @elasticsoul
                  it is already a poor nation. Just take the few superrich from the tableau and you can clearly see a so called 3rdWorld Land.

                  @AnnieBuddy @pedrobizbikedu @EricLawton

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                  • Jean-Francois MezeiJ Jean-Francois Mezei

                    @elasticsoul @DavidM_yeg @su_liam @troy_frizzell I don't disagree about drones. But you still need jets to patrol large areas. You still need helicopters for search and rescue, or to drop troups off in an area.

                    Military is more than fighting a war.

                    However, if, at very start of the war, the west had provided air defense to bomb any Russians entering Ukraine at the border, the outcome of war would be different. Drones didn't yet exist, though the cruise missiles (glorified and expensive drones) did.

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                    @elasticsoul @jfmezei @su_liam @troy_frizzell

                    I’m curious what a jet patrolling a large area accomplishes that other tools like satellites or surveillance and munitions drones can’t? (We weren’t talking about helicopters or cargo planes, just fighter jets)

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                    • David Mitchell :CApride:D David Mitchell :CApride:

                      @elasticsoul @jfmezei @su_liam @troy_frizzell

                      I’m curious what a jet patrolling a large area accomplishes that other tools like satellites or surveillance and munitions drones can’t? (We weren’t talking about helicopters or cargo planes, just fighter jets)

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                      @DavidM_yeg @elasticsoul @su_liam @troy_frizzell Satelites useless with cloud cover. Jet can fly low below clouds. And Satellites not always over the area you want during the day. Movies then to give satellites many unreal capabilities.

                      (now, if you have a gazillion spy satelites, odds are greater that one of them will have a pass over the area of interest during the day).

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