Carney critiques the current global order but offers only a hardened neoliberalism as an alternative.
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@dan613 @milkman76 @pinhman Carney's whole speech is about preserving the neoliberal order without the US. He's thesis is that western liberalism thrived under the US umbrella, and now that it's gone, western countries need to band together to preserve this system of relations going forward.
@yogthos @milkman76 @pinhman My point continues to be that his speech would be the same if every single country on the planet was socialist.
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@yogthos @milkman76 @pinhman My point continues to be that his speech would be the same if every single country on the planet was socialist.
@dan613 @milkman76 @pinhman if socialism was the dominant system in the world there would be no extractive hegemony in the first place, and hence this speech would not exist
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@dan613 @milkman76 @pinhman if socialism was the dominant system in the world there would be no extractive hegemony in the first place, and hence this speech would not exist
@yogthos @milkman76 @pinhman There would still be the largest economy in the world right next to us, extractive or not. And moving *away* from it is the opposite of perpetuating neo-liberalism.
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@yogthos @milkman76 @pinhman There would still be the largest economy in the world right next to us, extractive or not. And moving *away* from it is the opposite of perpetuating neo-liberalism.
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@yogthos @milkman76 @pinhman There would still be the largest economy in the world right next to us, extractive or not. And moving *away* from it is the opposite of perpetuating neo-liberalism.
@dan613 @yogthos @milkman76 @pinhman @NoahLoren13 @divinefloraloracle
Ok, would it be the same if every single country in the world was ruled by people like @nyx , Ahaiyuta, TwoWhateverist, and the like?
Despite this, I think that in a world where all countries are like Nyx Land's Nammu, there would have no nation states left and that Jiang Xueqin's Libertarianism would become true lol.
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@milkman76 @pinhman @yogthos I was questioning this: "offers only a hardened neoliberalism as an alternative" from your original post, which wasn't in his speech. Trade with other countries is not neoliberalism, and I don't understand why you think it is.
@dan613 @milkman76 @pinhman @yogthos @NoahLoren13 @divinefloraloracle @nyx
Explain to me what neoliberalism is and why Jair Bolsonaro, Javier Milei, Nayib Bukele, Erdogan, Ahmed Al-Sharaa, Daniel Noboa, Rodrigo Paz, Jose Antonio Kast, Reagan, Thatcher, Netanyahu, Klaus Schwab, Gunther Fehlinger, NATO etc aren't/weren't Neoliberal/Neoliberalism.
You can write a long essay if you want to.
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@yogthos @milkman76 @pinhman There would still be the largest economy in the world right next to us, extractive or not. And moving *away* from it is the opposite of perpetuating neo-liberalism.
@milkman76 @pinhman @dan613 he's literally talking about preserving the current liberal system in the face of the US turning on the vassals. That's the thrust of his speech.
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@dan613 @milkman76 @pinhman @yogthos @NoahLoren13 @divinefloraloracle @nyx
Explain to me what neoliberalism is and why Jair Bolsonaro, Javier Milei, Nayib Bukele, Erdogan, Ahmed Al-Sharaa, Daniel Noboa, Rodrigo Paz, Jose Antonio Kast, Reagan, Thatcher, Netanyahu, Klaus Schwab, Gunther Fehlinger, NATO etc aren't/weren't Neoliberal/Neoliberalism.
You can write a long essay if you want to.
@dan613 @milkman76 @pinhman @yogthos @NoahLoren13 @divinefloraloracle @nyx @anolandria
Trump no longer hides his racism at all https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/trump-posts-video-depicting-barack-and-michelle-obama-as-apes/
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@dan613 @milkman76 @pinhman @yogthos @NoahLoren13 @divinefloraloracle @nyx @anolandria
Trump no longer hides his racism at all https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/trump-posts-video-depicting-barack-and-michelle-obama-as-apes/
@VoidDumu @dan613 @pinhman @yogthos @NoahLoren13 @divinefloraloracle @nyx @anolandria he hasnt hidden it since the 1980s.
In the 80s (or 90s? I cant recall) he tried to kill 5 innocent young black boys. He ran a front page NYtimes ad calling for their execution, and briefly they admitted to a crime they didnt commit. Later they were exonerated.
He was also observed by associates many times using racial slurs, trying to make it hard for black people to get jobs, etc.
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@dan613 @milkman76 @pinhman @yogthos @NoahLoren13 @divinefloraloracle @nyx
Explain to me what neoliberalism is and why Jair Bolsonaro, Javier Milei, Nayib Bukele, Erdogan, Ahmed Al-Sharaa, Daniel Noboa, Rodrigo Paz, Jose Antonio Kast, Reagan, Thatcher, Netanyahu, Klaus Schwab, Gunther Fehlinger, NATO etc aren't/weren't Neoliberal/Neoliberalism.
You can write a long essay if you want to.
@VoidDumu @milkman76 @pinhman @yogthos @NoahLoren13 @divinefloraloracle @nyx I’ve never once said they weren’t neoliberal. That has nothing to do with Carney’s peach, which was about changes in trade relationships, a feature that also exists in socialist and communist societies.
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@VoidDumu @milkman76 @pinhman @yogthos @NoahLoren13 @divinefloraloracle @nyx I’ve never once said they weren’t neoliberal. That has nothing to do with Carney’s peach, which was about changes in trade relationships, a feature that also exists in socialist and communist societies.
@dan613 @VoidDumu @pinhman @yogthos @NoahLoren13 @divinefloraloracle @nyx Neoliberalism is laissez-faire capitalism and "right to buy" colonial era bullshit, and therein lies the problem with that entire paradigm, aside from any incidental similarities with socualism.
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