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  • Daniël Franke :panheart:A Daniël Franke :panheart:

    @_elena Backing up, no matter how you do it, is important, what is even more important is that you test the restoration of your backups. There's a saying that says that an untested backup is no backup at all.

    Also, I would recommend you look at restic over borg, as it's a more modern backup solution that has a very well audited encryption setup. Also, it's easy to setup with autorestic.

    Elena Rossini ⁂_ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @ainmosni thank you for the feedback Daniël. May I add your advice to my blog post?

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    • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

      New post:

      "A newbie's guide to self-hosting with #YunoHost. Part 4: backups"

      🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-4-backups/

      Or: this is how newbies do it.

      Dear sysadmins, you have all my respect and admiration, truly. One day I will learn how to do incremental backups with Borg, I promise.

      #blog #sysadmin #selfhosting

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      @_elena

      https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/y-u-no-guy

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      • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

        @ainmosni thank you for the feedback Daniël. May I add your advice to my blog post?

        Daniël Franke :panheart:A This user is from outside of this forum
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        @_elena Of course!

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        • cuan_knaggsM cuan_knaggs

          @_elena

          https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/y-u-no-guy

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          @mensrea OMG 😂😂😂

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          • Daniël Franke :panheart:A Daniël Franke :panheart:

            @_elena Of course!

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            @ainmosni I'm looking after my little one who's home from school with a fever... will try to get to it ASAP.

            Thanks again for the brilliant feedback

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            • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

              @ainmosni I'm looking after my little one who's home from school with a fever... will try to get to it ASAP.

              Thanks again for the brilliant feedback

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              @_elena No rush, if I my executive dysfunction would ever let me, I might sometime write a blog post about my own self hosted setup.

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              • Daniël Franke :panheart:A Daniël Franke :panheart:

                @_elena No rush, if I my executive dysfunction would ever let me, I might sometime write a blog post about my own self hosted setup.

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                @ainmosni @_elena I'd look forward to both versions (big one on my todo list, incl testing the backup)

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                • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                  New post:

                  "A newbie's guide to self-hosting with #YunoHost. Part 4: backups"

                  🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-4-backups/

                  Or: this is how newbies do it.

                  Dear sysadmins, you have all my respect and admiration, truly. One day I will learn how to do incremental backups with Borg, I promise.

                  #blog #sysadmin #selfhosting

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                  @_elena excellent, thank you very much. I think I will follow your advice.

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                  • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                    New post:

                    "A newbie's guide to self-hosting with #YunoHost. Part 4: backups"

                    🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-4-backups/

                    Or: this is how newbies do it.

                    Dear sysadmins, you have all my respect and admiration, truly. One day I will learn how to do incremental backups with Borg, I promise.

                    #blog #sysadmin #selfhosting

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                    @_elena
                    Hi Elena,

                    Just my 2 cents. I run Yuno for a lot off services. One is next cloud, which contains a lot of data (over 1 terabyte) If I use the yuno backup option I need a huge drive just to do the backup. So now I just shutdown the server, take out the physical nvme drive and connect it to my laptop. Then I use dd to make an exact 1:1 copy of the entire disk. This image is synced to different locations. Maybe this is useful to some folx. Thank you for your continued sharing. 👍👍

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                    • Daniël Franke :panheart:A Daniël Franke :panheart:

                      @_elena Backing up, no matter how you do it, is important, what is even more important is that you test the restoration of your backups. There's a saying that says that an untested backup is no backup at all.

                      Also, I would recommend you look at restic over borg, as it's a more modern backup solution that has a very well audited encryption setup. Also, it's easy to setup with autorestic.

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                      @ainmosni @_elena

                      That was my first comment too: you’ll have to test your backups otherwise you don’t know if you have backups 🙂
                      It’s a Schrödinger’s cat type of problem −> you have to open the box.

                      And it leads me to a second aspect: automation. good backup processes (the one that brings piece of mind) are automated. And of course the backup check can be automated too.
                      It’s piece of cake for a backup solution that you can script (borg, restic, kopia, rsync, etc.) but frankly I don’t know about Yunohost, may be you can’t do better.

                      On the side, I’ll share one of my sysadmin fails: I had a finely tuned backup process with scripts/config/etc. that was running daily for years flawlessly. Someday I leveraged that backup as a source of data to do a server migration (shutdown old system, start new one, restore data from backup). That worked great. Then I tested some web apps: epic failure (missing MySQL tables). What could have gone wrong?
                      Answer: I had setup my backup script to ignore files named */mysql/*log* because I don’t want to backup MySQL log files. Not so much of a surprise: this element of config instructed my backup process to exclude database files named like dc_log.MYD or oc_login_address.ibd (and many others).
                      Of course I had another way to retrieve the missing data. But, hell, I was not comfortable.

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                      • tichoT ticho

                        @_elena "Side note: I had to delete all my backups to simulate what the screen would look like for a new user and let me tell you... I was delighted to create a new backup right away (sigh of relief)."

                        ...cue the suspense music from any decent horror movie. 🙂

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                        @ticho @_elena, you could have opened your browser's dev tools (with F12), and hack into the page to "delete" the backups by deleting the nodes (they are all in `<a ...>...</a>` tags). That way, you only give the impression there is no backup, but a simple page refresh would make them reappear. 😉

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                        • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                          New post:

                          "A newbie's guide to self-hosting with #YunoHost. Part 4: backups"

                          🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-4-backups/

                          Or: this is how newbies do it.

                          Dear sysadmins, you have all my respect and admiration, truly. One day I will learn how to do incremental backups with Borg, I promise.

                          #blog #sysadmin #selfhosting

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                          @_elena
                          > Fun fact - and sorry I'm addressing this point only now but the right way to pronounce "YunoHost" is Why-You-No-Host (Y-U-NO-Host). In the first couple of months of using the service I routinely mispronounced it YoU-No-Host.

                          I have already learned something today and it’s not even 7a! 😆

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                          • tituspijeanT tituspijean

                            @ticho @_elena, you could have opened your browser's dev tools (with F12), and hack into the page to "delete" the backups by deleting the nodes (they are all in `<a ...>...</a>` tags). That way, you only give the impression there is no backup, but a simple page refresh would make them reappear. 😉

                            Elena Rossini ⁂_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @titus @ticho haha thank you!!!

                            I'm glad I won't have to do it ever again though 😅

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                            • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                              New post:

                              "A newbie's guide to self-hosting with #YunoHost. Part 4: backups"

                              🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-4-backups/

                              Or: this is how newbies do it.

                              Dear sysadmins, you have all my respect and admiration, truly. One day I will learn how to do incremental backups with Borg, I promise.

                              #blog #sysadmin #selfhosting

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                              @_elena I laugh at your ‘trigger warning for sysadmins’ but also sadly know why you have to. I do hope it triggers some in a way that helps developers empathize with ‘normal’ people more, and work on sanding off more rough edges.
                              Thanks again for your posts. I think they provide a nice window to see how software works for other groups of people 🙂

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