🇨🇦 1/There's a couple things that have happened this week that have set off my alarm bells as a Canadian
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@mike Yes!
I realized just this year that norms trump laws!
(pun originally not intended but turn out to be appropriate)I would look at strong US constitution defenders (like 1A advocates like Mike Masnick (Techdirt)) & think perhaps they had a point in contrast to Canada with respect to our "order and good governance" attitude and our anti-hate-speech laws being possible under our Constitution's free speech provisions.
I would think theirs was superior. But our norms are better and won out.
@mike Of course norms are absolutely influenced by laws. In fact, the growing understanding of the corruption of the law in the US over the last 40 years is why MAGA (or any right-wing populism) even exists.
We are only somewhat better than the US on this. I've come to believe that our poorer productivity (absolute and relative change) compared to the US goes hand-in-hand with us being more egalitarian, more collective-oriented, and less individualistic a culture than the US.
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@mike Yes!
I realized just this year that norms trump laws!
(pun originally not intended but turn out to be appropriate)I would look at strong US constitution defenders (like 1A advocates like Mike Masnick (Techdirt)) & think perhaps they had a point in contrast to Canada with respect to our "order and good governance" attitude and our anti-hate-speech laws being possible under our Constitution's free speech provisions.
I would think theirs was superior. But our norms are better and won out.
@virtuous_sloth to digress I'm not especially fond of hate speech laws myself. I feel once you ban something it creates a curiosity that inadvertently promotes exploration of the subject being banned. However I also used to think that extremists usually hang themselves with their own words so I don't mind giving them rope. I'm not so sure about that anymore..
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3/ I guess I'm concerned because I usually temper some of my angst by telling myself that I live in a certain information silo and that I'm probably being overly influenced by partisan opinion. But now A) people I would usually consider outside my information silo are sharing the same angst and B) Usually very sober annalists are now speaking like they're from near future dystopian science fiction.
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/warnings are coming from all directions, people are discussing this not only in Canada but also the EU, Australia, UK, and more. -
3/ I guess I'm concerned because I usually temper some of my angst by telling myself that I live in a certain information silo and that I'm probably being overly influenced by partisan opinion. But now A) people I would usually consider outside my information silo are sharing the same angst and B) Usually very sober annalists are now speaking like they're from near future dystopian science fiction.
@mike There are few metrics by which the USA manages to avoid falling into the category of "fascist state," most obviously, when authorities can arbitrarily designate civil disobedience as domestic terrorism. Few conservatives think fascism is a good thing, so that's the shift you're seeing.
We're also seeing the late stage decline of the American Empire, which has been well underway for about three decades now. The problem with allowing one country to become "defender of the free world" (so-called) is that we haven't made adequate provisions for when that defender starts to truly implode.
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3/ I guess I'm concerned because I usually temper some of my angst by telling myself that I live in a certain information silo and that I'm probably being overly influenced by partisan opinion. But now A) people I would usually consider outside my information silo are sharing the same angst and B) Usually very sober annalists are now speaking like they're from near future dystopian science fiction.
> Usually very sober annalists are now speaking like they're from near future dystopian science fiction.
They are. That's how they finance the time travel.
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@virtuous_sloth to digress I'm not especially fond of hate speech laws myself. I feel once you ban something it creates a curiosity that inadvertently promotes exploration of the subject being banned. However I also used to think that extremists usually hang themselves with their own words so I don't mind giving them rope. I'm not so sure about that anymore..
The problem are not the extremist, currently, though. The problem are the "normal" people, the voters. Wo enabled the current shitshow.
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1/There's a couple things that have happened this week that have set off my alarm bells as a Canadian.
First I overheard a conversation between some people that I would shamefully profile as upper middle class WASPs :
"I'm not worried about aliens invading I'm worried about the Americans invading"
Another conversation I had, again with someone that I would traditionally label as conservative "There's no way we'll travel to the US anymore, it's just not safe"@mike
I think Trump's attack on Venezuela, and kidnapping of Maduro, accelerated Canadian's distrust of the U.S. I thought about what I would do in the face of an invasion and I seriously considered asking my brother for my old firearms that I gave to him 40 years ago. A golf buddy was here yesterday to get help regripping his clubs and thinks a militia is needed immediately to bolster our forces. My neighbour thinks we're in a race to see what comes first - U.S troops occupying Ottawa or Trump stroking out on fast food.
This week made it clear. There are no controls on Trump's behavior. His actions are impulsive and lack any element of understanding cause and effect. You cannot deal with him in a diplomatic way because he's not rational. Common sense arguments and facts have no affect. It's hard to feel confident in the future when faced with that reality. -
3/ I guess I'm concerned because I usually temper some of my angst by telling myself that I live in a certain information silo and that I'm probably being overly influenced by partisan opinion. But now A) people I would usually consider outside my information silo are sharing the same angst and B) Usually very sober annalists are now speaking like they're from near future dystopian science fiction.
@mike The main #CanPol podcast Iisten to has been taking Pres. Trump seriously for a long time: https://www.readtheline.ca/podcast
For too long Canadians have thought they were immune from the dangers of the world. The last time Canada had military spending higher than 2% of GDP was while Brian Mulroney was PM; finally we're investing in hard power again. And our economic weakness vis-à-vis the Americans is another danger: the richer they are, the easier it is for them to push us around.
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@mike Of course norms are absolutely influenced by laws. In fact, the growing understanding of the corruption of the law in the US over the last 40 years is why MAGA (or any right-wing populism) even exists.
We are only somewhat better than the US on this. I've come to believe that our poorer productivity (absolute and relative change) compared to the US goes hand-in-hand with us being more egalitarian, more collective-oriented, and less individualistic a culture than the US.
@virtuous_sloth When I do business with a Canadian, it's always who do you know? Do you know so and so? When I do business with Americans it's always how much, how fast? Both have their advantages and disadvantages.
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@mike There are few metrics by which the USA manages to avoid falling into the category of "fascist state," most obviously, when authorities can arbitrarily designate civil disobedience as domestic terrorism. Few conservatives think fascism is a good thing, so that's the shift you're seeing.
We're also seeing the late stage decline of the American Empire, which has been well underway for about three decades now. The problem with allowing one country to become "defender of the free world" (so-called) is that we haven't made adequate provisions for when that defender starts to truly implode.
@alan Or simply doesn't want the job anymore.
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@mike
I think Trump's attack on Venezuela, and kidnapping of Maduro, accelerated Canadian's distrust of the U.S. I thought about what I would do in the face of an invasion and I seriously considered asking my brother for my old firearms that I gave to him 40 years ago. A golf buddy was here yesterday to get help regripping his clubs and thinks a militia is needed immediately to bolster our forces. My neighbour thinks we're in a race to see what comes first - U.S troops occupying Ottawa or Trump stroking out on fast food.
This week made it clear. There are no controls on Trump's behavior. His actions are impulsive and lack any element of understanding cause and effect. You cannot deal with him in a diplomatic way because he's not rational. Common sense arguments and facts have no affect. It's hard to feel confident in the future when faced with that reality.@paulbusch Personally I don't think small arms would do it no matter how well organized. Actually I think it would be less patriotic and more, suicidal. However we can resist in other ways.
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@mike The main #CanPol podcast Iisten to has been taking Pres. Trump seriously for a long time: https://www.readtheline.ca/podcast
For too long Canadians have thought they were immune from the dangers of the world. The last time Canada had military spending higher than 2% of GDP was while Brian Mulroney was PM; finally we're investing in hard power again. And our economic weakness vis-à-vis the Americans is another danger: the richer they are, the easier it is for them to push us around.
@mpjgregoire We've always, existed at the leisure of the dominant empire. Canada has never been a country that is defendable by force of arms without a lot of outside help.
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@paulbusch Personally I don't think small arms would do it no matter how well organized. Actually I think it would be less patriotic and more, suicidal. However we can resist in other ways.
@mike @paulbusch
Ukraine uses small arms fixed on drones, and it is quite an effective defence strategy. -
@mike @paulbusch
Ukraine uses small arms fixed on drones, and it is quite an effective defence strategy.I dunno, guerrillas never lose a war (hello, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and others). I think America might be able to invade Canada, but they'll never be able to keep us - largely because of individuals and small arms.
On a not-unrelated note, I bought five books about conducting guerilla warfare a few days ago, and they've already arrived.
We all prepare as best we can.
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@mike @paulbusch
Ukraine uses small arms fixed on drones, and it is quite an effective defence strategy.@SnowyCA @paulbusch Ukraine does A LOT more than just drones with grenades. They have an armoured and artillery corp that is very large as well and a mechanized infantry corp that's been fighting since the 2010s. They also get satelite Intel from Europe and the US (for now). They also benifit from the fact that the Russians have been largely incompetent with their force deployments.
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I dunno, guerrillas never lose a war (hello, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and others). I think America might be able to invade Canada, but they'll never be able to keep us - largely because of individuals and small arms.
On a not-unrelated note, I bought five books about conducting guerilla warfare a few days ago, and they've already arrived.
We all prepare as best we can.
Also, why do you think Chrystia Freeland is in Ukraine right now?
To give advice about finances, yes. But I imagine it's also to learn how a smaller power wins a war against a larger power.
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@SnowyCA @paulbusch Ukraine does A LOT more than just drones with grenades. They have an armoured and artillery corp that is very large as well and a mechanized infantry corp that's been fighting since the 2010s. They also get satelite Intel from Europe and the US (for now). They also benifit from the fact that the Russians have been largely incompetent with their force deployments.
@mike @paulbusch
I realize this.
I was responding to your comment about small arms, that's all. : ) -
Also, why do you think Chrystia Freeland is in Ukraine right now?
To give advice about finances, yes. But I imagine it's also to learn how a smaller power wins a war against a larger power.
@northernlights @mike @paulbusch
That did cross my mind, thanks. : )
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I dunno, guerrillas never lose a war (hello, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and others). I think America might be able to invade Canada, but they'll never be able to keep us - largely because of individuals and small arms.
On a not-unrelated note, I bought five books about conducting guerilla warfare a few days ago, and they've already arrived.
We all prepare as best we can.
@northernlights @SnowyCA @paulbusch How many of those are cold weather countries (Afghans had a fighting season), how long did those conflicts last (multi decade), how did they resupply (outside help). Your nearest comparable is Finland vs Russia and they have less than 1/10 the frontier to defend.
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I dunno, guerrillas never lose a war (hello, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and others). I think America might be able to invade Canada, but they'll never be able to keep us - largely because of individuals and small arms.
On a not-unrelated note, I bought five books about conducting guerilla warfare a few days ago, and they've already arrived.
We all prepare as best we can.
Don't forget the CIA released this: Simple Sabotage Field Manual
https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf