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🇨🇦 1/There's a couple things that have happened this week that have set off my alarm bells as a Canadian

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  • Mike FraserM Mike Fraser

    🇨🇦 1/There's a couple things that have happened this week that have set off my alarm bells as a Canadian.
    First I overheard a conversation between some people that I would shamefully profile as upper middle class WASPs :
    "I'm not worried about aliens invading I'm worried about the Americans invading"
    Another conversation I had, again with someone that I would traditionally label as conservative "There's no way we'll travel to the US anymore, it's just not safe"

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    @mike
    I think Trump's attack on Venezuela, and kidnapping of Maduro, accelerated Canadian's distrust of the U.S. I thought about what I would do in the face of an invasion and I seriously considered asking my brother for my old firearms that I gave to him 40 years ago. A golf buddy was here yesterday to get help regripping his clubs and thinks a militia is needed immediately to bolster our forces. My neighbour thinks we're in a race to see what comes first - U.S troops occupying Ottawa or Trump stroking out on fast food.
    This week made it clear. There are no controls on Trump's behavior. His actions are impulsive and lack any element of understanding cause and effect. You cannot deal with him in a diplomatic way because he's not rational. Common sense arguments and facts have no affect. It's hard to feel confident in the future when faced with that reality.

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    • Mike FraserM Mike Fraser

      3/ I guess I'm concerned because I usually temper some of my angst by telling myself that I live in a certain information silo and that I'm probably being overly influenced by partisan opinion. But now A) people I would usually consider outside my information silo are sharing the same angst and B) Usually very sober annalists are now speaking like they're from near future dystopian science fiction.

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      @mike The main #CanPol podcast Iisten to has been taking Pres. Trump seriously for a long time: https://www.readtheline.ca/podcast

      For too long Canadians have thought they were immune from the dangers of the world. The last time Canada had military spending higher than 2% of GDP was while Brian Mulroney was PM; finally we're investing in hard power again. And our economic weakness vis-à-vis the Americans is another danger: the richer they are, the easier it is for them to push us around.

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      • Bruce ElrickV Bruce Elrick

        @mike Of course norms are absolutely influenced by laws. In fact, the growing understanding of the corruption of the law in the US over the last 40 years is why MAGA (or any right-wing populism) even exists.

        We are only somewhat better than the US on this. I've come to believe that our poorer productivity (absolute and relative change) compared to the US goes hand-in-hand with us being more egalitarian, more collective-oriented, and less individualistic a culture than the US.

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        @virtuous_sloth When I do business with a Canadian, it's always who do you know? Do you know so and so? When I do business with Americans it's always how much, how fast? Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

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        • Alan Langford 🇨🇦🧤🧊摏A Alan Langford 🇨🇦🧤🧊摏

          @mike There are few metrics by which the USA manages to avoid falling into the category of "fascist state," most obviously, when authorities can arbitrarily designate civil disobedience as domestic terrorism. Few conservatives think fascism is a good thing, so that's the shift you're seeing.

          We're also seeing the late stage decline of the American Empire, which has been well underway for about three decades now. The problem with allowing one country to become "defender of the free world" (so-called) is that we haven't made adequate provisions for when that defender starts to truly implode.

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          @alan Or simply doesn't want the job anymore.

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          • Innocuous In Innisfil 🇨🇦P Innocuous In Innisfil 🇨🇦

            @mike
            I think Trump's attack on Venezuela, and kidnapping of Maduro, accelerated Canadian's distrust of the U.S. I thought about what I would do in the face of an invasion and I seriously considered asking my brother for my old firearms that I gave to him 40 years ago. A golf buddy was here yesterday to get help regripping his clubs and thinks a militia is needed immediately to bolster our forces. My neighbour thinks we're in a race to see what comes first - U.S troops occupying Ottawa or Trump stroking out on fast food.
            This week made it clear. There are no controls on Trump's behavior. His actions are impulsive and lack any element of understanding cause and effect. You cannot deal with him in a diplomatic way because he's not rational. Common sense arguments and facts have no affect. It's hard to feel confident in the future when faced with that reality.

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            @paulbusch Personally I don't think small arms would do it no matter how well organized. Actually I think it would be less patriotic and more, suicidal. However we can resist in other ways.

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            • M. GrégoireM M. Grégoire

              @mike The main #CanPol podcast Iisten to has been taking Pres. Trump seriously for a long time: https://www.readtheline.ca/podcast

              For too long Canadians have thought they were immune from the dangers of the world. The last time Canada had military spending higher than 2% of GDP was while Brian Mulroney was PM; finally we're investing in hard power again. And our economic weakness vis-à-vis the Americans is another danger: the richer they are, the easier it is for them to push us around.

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              @mpjgregoire We've always, existed at the leisure of the dominant empire. Canada has never been a country that is defendable by force of arms without a lot of outside help.

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              • Mike FraserM Mike Fraser

                @paulbusch Personally I don't think small arms would do it no matter how well organized. Actually I think it would be less patriotic and more, suicidal. However we can resist in other ways.

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                @mike @paulbusch
                Ukraine uses small arms fixed on drones, and it is quite an effective defence strategy.

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                • ❄️SnowyIn🇨🇦❄️S ❄️SnowyIn🇨🇦❄️

                  @mike @paulbusch
                  Ukraine uses small arms fixed on drones, and it is quite an effective defence strategy.

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                  @SnowyCA @mike @paulbusch

                  I dunno, guerrillas never lose a war (hello, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and others). I think America might be able to invade Canada, but they'll never be able to keep us - largely because of individuals and small arms.

                  On a not-unrelated note, I bought five books about conducting guerilla warfare a few days ago, and they've already arrived.

                  We all prepare as best we can.

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                  • ❄️SnowyIn🇨🇦❄️S ❄️SnowyIn🇨🇦❄️

                    @mike @paulbusch
                    Ukraine uses small arms fixed on drones, and it is quite an effective defence strategy.

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                    @SnowyCA @paulbusch Ukraine does A LOT more than just drones with grenades. They have an armoured and artillery corp that is very large as well and a mechanized infantry corp that's been fighting since the 2010s. They also get satelite Intel from Europe and the US (for now). They also benifit from the fact that the Russians have been largely incompetent with their force deployments.

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                    • ItsDoctorNotMrsN ItsDoctorNotMrs

                      @SnowyCA @mike @paulbusch

                      I dunno, guerrillas never lose a war (hello, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and others). I think America might be able to invade Canada, but they'll never be able to keep us - largely because of individuals and small arms.

                      On a not-unrelated note, I bought five books about conducting guerilla warfare a few days ago, and they've already arrived.

                      We all prepare as best we can.

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                      @SnowyCA @mike @paulbusch

                      Also, why do you think Chrystia Freeland is in Ukraine right now?

                      To give advice about finances, yes. But I imagine it's also to learn how a smaller power wins a war against a larger power.

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                      • Mike FraserM Mike Fraser

                        @SnowyCA @paulbusch Ukraine does A LOT more than just drones with grenades. They have an armoured and artillery corp that is very large as well and a mechanized infantry corp that's been fighting since the 2010s. They also get satelite Intel from Europe and the US (for now). They also benifit from the fact that the Russians have been largely incompetent with their force deployments.

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                        @mike @paulbusch
                        I realize this.
                        I was responding to your comment about small arms, that's all. : )

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                        • ItsDoctorNotMrsN ItsDoctorNotMrs

                          @SnowyCA @mike @paulbusch

                          Also, why do you think Chrystia Freeland is in Ukraine right now?

                          To give advice about finances, yes. But I imagine it's also to learn how a smaller power wins a war against a larger power.

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                          @northernlights @mike @paulbusch

                          That did cross my mind, thanks. : )

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                          • ItsDoctorNotMrsN ItsDoctorNotMrs

                            @SnowyCA @mike @paulbusch

                            I dunno, guerrillas never lose a war (hello, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and others). I think America might be able to invade Canada, but they'll never be able to keep us - largely because of individuals and small arms.

                            On a not-unrelated note, I bought five books about conducting guerilla warfare a few days ago, and they've already arrived.

                            We all prepare as best we can.

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                            @northernlights @SnowyCA @paulbusch How many of those are cold weather countries (Afghans had a fighting season), how long did those conflicts last (multi decade), how did they resupply (outside help). Your nearest comparable is Finland vs Russia and they have less than 1/10 the frontier to defend.

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                            • ItsDoctorNotMrsN ItsDoctorNotMrs

                              @SnowyCA @mike @paulbusch

                              I dunno, guerrillas never lose a war (hello, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and others). I think America might be able to invade Canada, but they'll never be able to keep us - largely because of individuals and small arms.

                              On a not-unrelated note, I bought five books about conducting guerilla warfare a few days ago, and they've already arrived.

                              We all prepare as best we can.

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                              @northernlights

                              Don't forget the CIA released this: Simple Sabotage Field Manual

                              https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf

                              @SnowyCA @mike @paulbusch

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                              • Mike FraserM Mike Fraser

                                @northernlights @SnowyCA @paulbusch How many of those are cold weather countries (Afghans had a fighting season), how long did those conflicts last (multi decade), how did they resupply (outside help). Your nearest comparable is Finland vs Russia and they have less than 1/10 the frontier to defend.

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                                @mike @northernlights @paulbusch

                                Sabotage is always effective...wars do not need to be won within a day, weeks or months.

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                                • maya_b 🇨🇦M maya_b 🇨🇦

                                  @northernlights

                                  Don't forget the CIA released this: Simple Sabotage Field Manual

                                  https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf

                                  @SnowyCA @mike @paulbusch

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                                  @maya_b @northernlights @mike @paulbusch
                                  Canadian minds think alike.

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                                  • ItsDoctorNotMrsN ItsDoctorNotMrs

                                    @SnowyCA @mike @paulbusch

                                    I dunno, guerrillas never lose a war (hello, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and others). I think America might be able to invade Canada, but they'll never be able to keep us - largely because of individuals and small arms.

                                    On a not-unrelated note, I bought five books about conducting guerilla warfare a few days ago, and they've already arrived.

                                    We all prepare as best we can.

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                                    @northernlights I would be fascinated if you shared some of what you learn from those books.
                                    @SnowyCA @mike @paulbusch

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                                    • Cdn TravelerD Cdn Traveler

                                      @northernlights I would be fascinated if you shared some of what you learn from those books.
                                      @SnowyCA @mike @paulbusch

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                                      @deadDuck @northernlights @mike @paulbusch
                                      Better yet, may I inquire about the titles?

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                                      • Mike FraserM Mike Fraser

                                        @mpjgregoire We've always, existed at the leisure of the dominant empire. Canada has never been a country that is defendable by force of arms without a lot of outside help.

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                                        @mike CANZUK time. The Commonwealth has always been a useful balance to the influence of our powerful neighbour, and we could deepen our economic, cultural and military ties with our cousins therein.

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                                        • Mike FraserM Mike Fraser

                                          @paulbusch Personally I don't think small arms would do it no matter how well organized. Actually I think it would be less patriotic and more, suicidal. However we can resist in other ways.

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                                          @mike
                                          I have enough self awareness to realize that at age 69, me and my old 30-30 lever action is not going to turn the tide against the American invasion 🙂

                                          My point was to illustrate my thought process on what could I do if faced with a military attack. I haven't thought about having my firearms back in my possession for decades, but this week's news made me consider it as an option. Crazy.

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