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Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.

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  • Conny NaschC This user is from outside of this forum
    Conny NaschC This user is from outside of this forum
    Conny Nasch
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    #61

    @Doomed_Daniel @mmcknett @kiri @sundogplanets The voice of reason was noted in the comments to this very clarifying article. I am an artist/painter and not engineer, (my father and partner are), I am fascinated by engineering and science though. Thank you for this super perspective on the subject I watched last night on 3Sat "Nano", which chilled me to the bone.

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    • Prof. Sam LawlerS Prof. Sam Lawler

      Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.

      https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf

      Comments due March 6.

      I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.

      Graeme 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿P This user is from outside of this forum
      Graeme 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿P This user is from outside of this forum
      Graeme 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
      wrote last edited by
      #62

      @sundogplanets This is more about the upcoming ipo than reality. It's to make dumb investors wet themselves with excitement. At that level, it'll probably work...
      But still, needs a big NO from the FCC, who should not be the arbiter anyway, it's an international issue.
      I wonder what the Chinese think about it?!!

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      • Graeme 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿P Graeme 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

        @sundogplanets This is more about the upcoming ipo than reality. It's to make dumb investors wet themselves with excitement. At that level, it'll probably work...
        But still, needs a big NO from the FCC, who should not be the arbiter anyway, it's an international issue.
        I wonder what the Chinese think about it?!!

        Little Art HistoriesA This user is from outside of this forum
        Little Art HistoriesA This user is from outside of this forum
        Little Art Histories
        wrote last edited by
        #63

        @pa27 @sundogplanets
        Definitely. Investors already start asking when they are going to see revenue from the investments they made so our beloved tech-bros need a new flashy thing to distract from the fact that they are playing the Theranos-game all over again, raking in nonsensical amounts of money with the added bonus of destructing societies and the world.

        But maybe everything is just a ploy to get the Chinese and Russians to die from laughter about the stupidity of the west?

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        • MinaM Mina

          @bit

          That's the point.

          The only way to lose heat in space is through radiation.

          I guess, tech bros learn their physics from chatboxes.

          I also wonder, how they plan to protect their data centres from cosmic radiation.

          @sundogplanets

          Sepia FanS This user is from outside of this forum
          Sepia FanS This user is from outside of this forum
          Sepia Fan
          wrote last edited by
          #64

          @mina @bit @sundogplanets

          Deutschlandfunk had an interview with Prof. Dr.-Ing. Felix Huber (director of GSOC - German Space Operations Center) about this topic yesterday - and they discussed all the points. To me he sounded increasingly annoyed ;D

          - mass
          - size
          - space debris
          - heat
          - radiation
          - tech ageing
          - maintenance
          - replacement
          - de-orbiting
          - atmospheric pollution
          - communication
          - CO2 emissions

          Conclusion: 🚮

          🎧 German, 5 min:
          https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/ki-aus-dem-all-wie-realistisch-sind-weltraumgestuetzte-rechenzentren-100.html

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          • Sepia FanS Sepia Fan

            @mina @bit @sundogplanets

            Deutschlandfunk had an interview with Prof. Dr.-Ing. Felix Huber (director of GSOC - German Space Operations Center) about this topic yesterday - and they discussed all the points. To me he sounded increasingly annoyed ;D

            - mass
            - size
            - space debris
            - heat
            - radiation
            - tech ageing
            - maintenance
            - replacement
            - de-orbiting
            - atmospheric pollution
            - communication
            - CO2 emissions

            Conclusion: 🚮

            🎧 German, 5 min:
            https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/ki-aus-dem-all-wie-realistisch-sind-weltraumgestuetzte-rechenzentren-100.html

            MinaM This user is from outside of this forum
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            Mina
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            #65

            @stekopf

            Gleich mal hören.

            @bit @sundogplanets

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            • Prof. Sam LawlerS Prof. Sam Lawler

              Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.

              https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf

              Comments due March 6.

              I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.

              gunstickG This user is from outside of this forum
              gunstickG This user is from outside of this forum
              gunstick
              wrote last edited by
              #66

              @sundogplanets the environment agency should have their word to say. Because all these millions of datacenters are going to be disposed off... And they won't be recycled. Just burned up. In the open. No filters. No catalysators. Just burned in the atmosphere.

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              • Awk & shaM Awk & sha

                @kiri @sundogplanets you’re not missing anything; this is absolutely the problem with data centers, structures famously constrained by their ability to reject heat, in space, a place famous for its insulative properties. It’s stupid.

                Not to mention that data centers require maintenance and equipment replacement. This aspect of data centers is why companies decided not to put them in the ocean (where heat would be easier to reject). How do they think they’ll do maintenance? Or do the satellites just become trash after a few years?

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                Eliza MB
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                #67

                @mmcknett @kiri @sundogplanets

                I suspect Musk knows this won't work. He doesn't care so long as more naive investors throw money at him.

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                • gunstickG gunstick

                  @sundogplanets the environment agency should have their word to say. Because all these millions of datacenters are going to be disposed off... And they won't be recycled. Just burned up. In the open. No filters. No catalysators. Just burned in the atmosphere.

                  emmatonkinE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  emmatonkin
                  wrote last edited by
                  #68

                  @gunstick @sundogplanets

                  TBH as someone with direct experience of existing "AI datacenters" I feel like there should be a literal sanity check involved somewhere. At this point you might as well ask for 1 million satellites for isolating the voice of Azathoth the Nuclear Chaos: at least that would be something you might conceivably need to be in space to do.

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                  • Prof. Sam LawlerS Prof. Sam Lawler

                    Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.

                    https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf

                    Comments due March 6.

                    I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.

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                    Andy Wootton
                    wrote last edited by
                    #69

                    @sundogplanets Why would Trump want sophisticated communication systems to be available to just anyone?

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                    • Prof. Sam LawlerS Prof. Sam Lawler

                      If anyone has time and energy to set up instructions for how to submit a comment to the FCC (it's really fucking complicated, on purpose, I'm sure), I would very much appreciate it! Otherwise I'll do it in the coming days.

                      katzenbergerK This user is from outside of this forum
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                      katzenberger
                      wrote last edited by
                      #70

                      @sundogplanets

                      If somebody wants to venture into this, please test all steps.

                      The first one involves sending an email to ecfs@fcc.gov with "get form" and your email address in the message body.

                      The reply I got was trying to strangely gaslight me:

                      "Delivery has failed to these recipients or groups:

                      ecfs@fcc.gov
                      Your message couldn't be delivered. The Domain Name System (DNS) reported that the recipient's domain does not exist."

                      There seems to be a strange subdomain falstaff.fcc.gov involved. The attached error log says:

                      Diagnostic information for administrators:

                      Generating server: SJ0PR09MB11735.namprd09.prod.outlook.com

                      ecfs@fcc.gov
                      Remote server returned '550 5.4.310 DNS domain falstaff.fcc.gov does not exist [Message=InfoDomainNonexistent] [LastAttemptedServerName=falstaff.fcc.gov] [SA2PEPF00003023.namprd09.prod.outlook.com 2026-02-05T12:30:46.776Z 08DE6078A5284768]'
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                      • Prof. Sam LawlerS Prof. Sam Lawler

                        Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.

                        https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf

                        Comments due March 6.

                        I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.

                        Bud TalbotB This user is from outside of this forum
                        Bud TalbotB This user is from outside of this forum
                        Bud Talbot
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                        #71

                        @sundogplanets wtaf??? That's crazy

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                        • Prof. Sam LawlerS Prof. Sam Lawler

                          Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.

                          https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf

                          Comments due March 6.

                          I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.

                          Awk & shaM This user is from outside of this forum
                          Awk & shaM This user is from outside of this forum
                          Awk & sha
                          wrote last edited by
                          #72

                          @sundogplanets any advice on what comments to the FCC should cover?

                          This is an awful idea, but not because it interferes with radio communications or anything like that. Does the FCC care about things like “this won’t work at all, and after it fails space will be filled with a massive quantity of trash”?

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                          • Prof. Sam LawlerS Prof. Sam Lawler

                            Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.

                            https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf

                            Comments due March 6.

                            I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.

                            The TurtleT This user is from outside of this forum
                            The TurtleT This user is from outside of this forum
                            The Turtle
                            wrote last edited by
                            #73

                            @sundogplanets are we signatories to any treaties governing liability for shit that falls out of space from a known source? In the past, space crap was often the property of an actual country. Having falling space crap owned overwhelmingly by a single private company seems to throw the liability balance way off and I am not sure if there are space treaties that cover one fishfaced South African dumping junk all over the world from low orbit for years.

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                            • teresa_athomeT teresa_athome

                              @sundogplanets There's a walkthrough here: https://e-ratecentral.com/Resources/Educational-Information/Guide-to-Reading-and-Filing-FCC-Comments

                              SunnJax 🥾🏳️‍🌈 :Fire_Pride:S This user is from outside of this forum
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                              SunnJax 🥾🏳️‍🌈 :Fire_Pride:
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                              #74

                              @teresa_athome I tried this, but it only seems to work for documents in the ECFS database. This SpaceX filing is in the ICFS database, which requires registration and login to an FCC portal (which I’m not sure I feel comfortable doing). Ugh, this is so convoluted… 😑

                              Link to filing in ICFS database:
                              https://fccprod.servicenowservices.com/icfs?id=ibfs_application_summary&number=SAT-LOA-20260108-00016

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                              • Prof. Sam LawlerS Prof. Sam Lawler

                                Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.

                                https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf

                                Comments due March 6.

                                I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.

                                Jean-Francois MezeiJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Jean-Francois Mezei
                                wrote last edited by
                                #75

                                @sundogplanets SpaceX is playig the "AI" buzzwork to get a rubber stamped approval for unlimited number of satellites which the government would look very bad if it rejetected since the Trump regime wants to play the AI casino game very much.

                                Once they have the approvals, they can start a garbage disposal service in texas where they send the gargage into those pre-approved orbits. (or any other stupid use of those satellite positions). And getting those approved would also mean others can't reserve thsoe orbits anymore because SapceX will have monopoly on them.

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                                • Prof. Sam LawlerS Prof. Sam Lawler

                                  Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.

                                  https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf

                                  Comments due March 6.

                                  I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.

                                  ulveon.net (on derg.social)U This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  ulveon.net (on derg.social)
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #76

                                  @sundogplanets@mastodon.social don't worry. This is not happening. Musk just wants money and attention. He can literally just tell lies and money will flow in.

                                  Musk won't launch one million satellites.

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                                  • Prof. Sam LawlerS Prof. Sam Lawler

                                    Well, everyone, you can now submit a comment to let the FCC know what you think about SpaceX asking for 1 million satellites for "AI datacenters" whatever the fuck that means.

                                    https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-113A1.pdf

                                    Comments due March 6.

                                    I am having a very hard time believing this is really happening. Fuck you, SpaceX, and fuck you, FCC. This is not regulation, this is a fucking joke, that will destroy our ability to use satellites for centuries.

                                    John BrownJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    John Brown
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #77

                                    @sundogplanets "unlimited number of satellites"

                                    Soon our weather forecast will be predicting how many of those satellites will be falling down tonight.

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                                    • SunnJax 🥾🏳️‍🌈 :Fire_Pride:S SunnJax 🥾🏳️‍🌈 :Fire_Pride:

                                      @teresa_athome I tried this, but it only seems to work for documents in the ECFS database. This SpaceX filing is in the ICFS database, which requires registration and login to an FCC portal (which I’m not sure I feel comfortable doing). Ugh, this is so convoluted… 😑

                                      Link to filing in ICFS database:
                                      https://fccprod.servicenowservices.com/icfs?id=ibfs_application_summary&number=SAT-LOA-20260108-00016

                                      teresa_athomeT This user is from outside of this forum
                                      teresa_athomeT This user is from outside of this forum
                                      teresa_athome
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #78

                                      @SunnJax What a pain. The regular process is pretty easy. I haven’t run across this one before. (I have been lucky.) Something else to bring to the attention of my electeds. Thanks for the heads up.

                                      There’s supposedly a way to comment via email if you request the form for instructions. I’ll update after I hear back.

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                                      • katzenbergerK katzenberger

                                        @sundogplanets

                                        If somebody wants to venture into this, please test all steps.

                                        The first one involves sending an email to ecfs@fcc.gov with "get form" and your email address in the message body.

                                        The reply I got was trying to strangely gaslight me:

                                        "Delivery has failed to these recipients or groups:

                                        ecfs@fcc.gov
                                        Your message couldn't be delivered. The Domain Name System (DNS) reported that the recipient's domain does not exist."

                                        There seems to be a strange subdomain falstaff.fcc.gov involved. The attached error log says:

                                        Diagnostic information for administrators:

                                        Generating server: SJ0PR09MB11735.namprd09.prod.outlook.com

                                        ecfs@fcc.gov
                                        Remote server returned '550 5.4.310 DNS domain falstaff.fcc.gov does not exist [Message=InfoDomainNonexistent] [LastAttemptedServerName=falstaff.fcc.gov] [SA2PEPF00003023.namprd09.prod.outlook.com 2026-02-05T12:30:46.776Z 08DE6078A5284768]'
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                                        Alex Strasheim
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                                        #79

                                        @katzenberger @sundogplanets

                                        This is boring stuff, but when your server tries to deliver mail, the first thing it does is look for the MX records for the recipient's domain.

                                        It looks like they're using Microsoft to run their email system.

                                        My first guess is that they're changing their mail servers, and somehow your message got stuck during the transition.

                                        1/2

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                                        • A Alex Strasheim

                                          @katzenberger @sundogplanets

                                          This is boring stuff, but when your server tries to deliver mail, the first thing it does is look for the MX records for the recipient's domain.

                                          It looks like they're using Microsoft to run their email system.

                                          My first guess is that they're changing their mail servers, and somehow your message got stuck during the transition.

                                          1/2

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                                          Alex Strasheim
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #80

                                          @katzenberger @sundogplanets

                                          Then it looks up the numerical address of the mail server. That's working as well. I think that if you try again, it will work.

                                          The caveat is that when you query a DNS server, the answer gets cached for a while. So you might have to wait for your server's cached copies of the data to expire. But the data that's live now is good.

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