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  3. This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

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  • tanteT tante

    This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

    https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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    James Widman
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    @tante
    > (Sidenote: It should be the law that when you offer or run an “AI” you are 100% liable for everything it does. Sure, that would kill the whole industry but who gives a shit?)

    i give a shit. i want us, collectively, to deliberately end the entire gen-"a.i." industry. i want the data centers that were built for that purpose to be completely physically dismantled, and the CPUs & DRAM repurposed. i want charges to be brought against its leaders for a wide variety of damages.

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      @tante
      > (Sidenote: It should be the law that when you offer or run an “AI” you are 100% liable for everything it does. Sure, that would kill the whole industry but who gives a shit?)

      i give a shit. i want us, collectively, to deliberately end the entire gen-"a.i." industry. i want the data centers that were built for that purpose to be completely physically dismantled, and the CPUs & DRAM repurposed. i want charges to be brought against its leaders for a wide variety of damages.

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      James Widman
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      @tante https://mastodon.social/@JamesWidman/116032953161658413

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      • tanteT tante

        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

        https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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        @tante

        "There is zero artificial intelligence today. There could have been, but 50 years ago the decision was made by most scientists and companies to go with machine learning, which was quick and easy, instead of the difficult task of actually reverse engineering and then replicating the human brain.

        So instead what we have today is machine learning combined with mass plagiarism which we call ‘generative AI’, essentially performing what is akin to a magic trick so that it appears, at times, to be intelligent.

        While the topic of machine learning is complex in detail, it is simple in concept, which is all we have room for here. Essentially machine learning is simply presenting many thousands or millions of samples to a computer until the associative components ‘learn’ what it is, for example pictures of a daisy from all angles and incarnations.

        Then companies scoured the internet in the greatest crime of mass plagiarism in history, and used the basic ability of machine learning to recognize nouns, verbs, etc. to chop up and recombine actual human writings and thoughts into ‘generative AI’.

        So by recognizing basic grammar and hopefully deducing the basic ideas of a query, and then recombining human writings which appear to match that query, we get a very faulty appearance of intelligence - generative AI.

        But the problem is, as I said in the beginning, there is no actual intelligence involved at all. These programs have no idea what a daisy, or love, or hate, or compassion, or a truck, or horse, or wagon, or anything else, actually is. They just have the ability to do a very faulty combinatorial trick to appear as if they do.

        And while the human brain consumes around 20 watts, these massive pattern matching computers consume ever increasing billions.

        However there is hope that actual general intelligence can be created because, thankfully, a handful of scientists rejected machine learning and instead have been working on recreating the connectome of the human brain for 50 years, and they are within a few decades of achieving that goal and truly replicating the human brain, creating true general intelligence.

        In the meantime it's important for our species to recognize the danger of relying on generative AI for anything, as it's akin to relying on a magician to conjure up a real, physical, living, bunny rabbit.

        So relying on it to drive cars, or control any critical systems, will always result in massive errors, often leading to real destruction and death."
        SearingTruth

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        • J James Widman

          @tante https://mastodon.social/@JamesWidman/116032953161658413

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          @tante but yeah, the fact the people aren't going to be able to trust FLOSS for the foreseeable future is... unimaginably bad.

          it's like if scam health-food influencers took control of the CDC.

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          • tanteT tante

            This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

            https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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            @tante @huwr there are a lot of good points and criticisms here, but Peter is not the “tech bro wannabe Elon” you say he is. He’s actually a caring thoughtful human who will probably be really hurt by these words.

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            • tanteT tante

              @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen thank you so much!

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              @tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen here’s the blog from Scott https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/ mind blowing.

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              • Michael SimonsR Michael Simons

                @tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen here’s the blog from Scott https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/ mind blowing.

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                @rotnroll666 The Kessler syndrome of the Internet.

                @tante @mttaggart

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                • tanteT tante

                  This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                  https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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                  @tante "but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowing going down the drain."

                  Shouldn't it be "slowly going down"?

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                  • tanteT tante

                    This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                    https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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                    @tante
                    Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.

                    What do you think?

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                    • Klaus FrankA Klaus Frank

                      @tante
                      Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.

                      What do you think?

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                      tante
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                      @agowa338 that might actually have been me 😉
                      https://tante.cc/2026/01/15/software-as-fast-fashion/

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                        @tante https://mastodon.social/@JamesWidman/116032953161658413

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                        @JamesWidman
                        We need to read Dune's works about the Butlerian Jihad.

                        @tante

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                        • tanteT tante

                          @agowa338 that might actually have been me 😉
                          https://tante.cc/2026/01/15/software-as-fast-fashion/

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                          Klaus Frank
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                          @tante
                          Oh, ok kinda liked that summary a bit more 🙂

                          Also regarding rejection of responsibility and care, I wonder how much longer that'll still be possible.
                          Esp. when things like the person asking in the company chat about the fire alarm being real got told by the chatbot it wasn't and that she doesn't have to leave get more widespread. Did you see that one?

                          https://mastodon.online/@tagir_valeev/116057271527521893

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                          • tanteT tante

                            This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                            https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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                            The sad thing is that "open-source" has always been that: a libertarian "do what you want I'm not responsible" ecosystem. Libre software at least tried to make it so that you must make it a collective thing, but still with very little needed coordination. Not surprising seeing where those 2, and computing in general comes from (white rich cishet men who never had any real issues in their life)

                            What we need is to uproot this foundation. Start from a collective mindset, build from communities where we all listen and take care of each other. Taken to the extreme open licenses are useless: it is better to have a closed-source system that your community controls (ie the community has full control over what the thing does, but outsider don't necessarily) than an open-source system that everyone must understand on their own, leading to in practice control only by those who build it.
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                            • tanteT tante

                              This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                              https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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                              @tante very well said. His thirst for nazi-bar fame is apparent.

                              You didn’t even touch on the uselessness of the project: none of these incel-adjacent techbros need a (digital or not) assistant in their lives; they just want to feel important. Message “something” in their WhatsApp/telegram (not irc, jabber or matrix) instead of just opening their calendar app

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                              • tanteT tante

                                This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                                https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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                                @tante "handing out running chainsaws to kids" that's exactly their way of responsibility.

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                                • tanteT tante

                                  This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                                  https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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                                  @tante 🙏

                                  fyi - typo/german in “on the other faschist social network”. should be “fascist”

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                                  • NfoonfN Nfoonf

                                    @tante i hope they make a dev meeting soon

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                                    @Nfoonf @tante
                                    the bots could rent some humans to go to the dev meeting
                                    https://rentahuman.ai/

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                                      @tante very well said. His thirst for nazi-bar fame is apparent.

                                      You didn’t even touch on the uselessness of the project: none of these incel-adjacent techbros need a (digital or not) assistant in their lives; they just want to feel important. Message “something” in their WhatsApp/telegram (not irc, jabber or matrix) instead of just opening their calendar app

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                                      @piyuv @tante Since they can't have a sexy female secretary doing these things for them, an AI will have to do.

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                                      • tanteT tante

                                        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                                        https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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                                        @tante Somewhat. Though I do believe that people could actually be held legally responsible for what the agents they operate do.

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                                        • Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷L Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷

                                          @tante Somewhat. Though I do believe that people could actually be held legally responsible for what the agents they operate do.

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                                          @larsmb from what I see mostly the * with the tiny "you have to check everything" note in tiny font hidden somewhere in invisible ink is considered enough even by law. Which is a mistake.

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