PS. With all the Discord stuff, in case you wonder why you never see me promoting Matrix, it’s not because it’s a usability nightmare (which it is) but because it’s made by the kind of people who’d be happy to call ICE a customer.

@freediverx @MisuseCase @aral @element The position of the US is rapidly declining, and this is a chance for "vassals" to become actually independent.

@mpsi @aral @element
Don’t they? The Chinese government follows the doctrine of “socialism with Chinese characteristics” and that clearly involves embracing some elements of capitalism including the presence of a financial elite even though that elite remains subordinate to the people’s government.

@MisuseCase @davidgerard @aral @precariousmind @element Well. Just for the sake of accuracy, matrix foundation includes people from element. They have strong ties. But matrix foundation is at least supposed to be neutral and mostly about the protocol. But it is hard to avoid element in the matrix ecosystem as of yet anyways. So I can see your point.

@sotolf @LukefromDC @aral @element
I’ve followed them for many years and their motivations, at least, seem to be sound.

@mpsi @MisuseCase @aral @element
One would hope, but I’ve seen little evidence of that so far. Europe is still more scared of China than the US and I think that’s a critical mistake.

@MisuseCase @aral @element Each of these situations is an individual case and it should be solved as such by citizens of the relevant countries. This is how democracy is supposed to work.

The US urgently needs to solve its own crisis. Do that, abolish the police if you think it is a good solution, but please don't interpolate your situation to the rest of the world constantly.

@mpsi @aral @element >> Each of these situations is an individual case and it should be solved as such by citizens of the relevant countries.

(*fart noise*)

@freediverx @aral @element Police protects capital in countries where the capital equals political power. Can we agree on that?

@prma @davidgerard @aral @precariousmind @element So, I am not clear about all this stuff but Element is a coding platform, right?

@MisuseCase @aral @element Oh, you don't have any arguments left?

@aral@mastodon.ar.al @element@mastodon.matrix.org Meh, at least its open source.. As long as there is no better alternative for the features I'd rather use self-hosted matrix then discord.

P.S. Discord is also used by fascists.

@freediverx @mpsi @aral @element Other countries don’t do good things or bad things solely because of America.

Like, Britain being a racist ex-colonial power with a hell of a lot of classism is not due to America, for sure.

@sotolf @LukefromDC @aral @element
I’m not qualified to answer that question, but given the organization’s philosophical roots, I suspect they made infrastructure decisions based on risk analysis assumptions that may no longer be valid.

If that’s the case, perhaps they’re already considering ways to adapt to the changjng political environment.

@freediverx @MisuseCase @aral @element We won't become independent if we keep treating anything that happens in the US as some kind of the only possible future for ourselves.

And that is what I advocate even in this thread.

But in practice it’s the same as mastodon and activitypub. Element has a huge market share and thus influence in the matrix space. Never mind the historical ties. (2/2)

@MisuseCase @davidgerard @aral @precariousmind @element I’m not sure what you mean by coding platform.

Element develops home server applications and client applications based on Matrix protocol. Sort of like how mastadon is to activitypub.
And they sell enterprise SaaS and support for these products as their business model. You can for example use conduit as the homeserver and lots of client apps. You then are not using element’s products but using matrix. (1/2)

@mpsi @aral @element
Can you cite some larger countries where that isn’t the case? And can we agree that capital can become controlled by either oligarchs or an authoritarian government?

@prma It sounds like it might be a little different from the relationship between Mastodon and ActivityPub but okay.

@MisuseCase @mpsi @aral @element
Well that’s a case of the tail wagging the dog because the US is merely the modern day iteration of the British empire. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

@MisuseCase Well activitypub is the protocol. So is matrix.
My point is that matrix without element could be a very viable solution in a few years. Maybe not just right now.