@alterelefant @cvvhrn @GhostOnTheHalfShell @ai6yr @MsMerope I think there are better ways, is my point. I know where you're coming from. But talking - as commenter after me said - as if their choices stop with them, or indeed their children, is wrong. Not just morally, factually. Laughing at people never changes their minds. And I know how hard it is not to do, I've been here long enough.