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I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol.

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    I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

    Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

    That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

    #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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      I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

      Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

      That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

      #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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      @ggrey and in some months the switching will be even automatic, without you needing to manually select a new "main relay"

      you will not even notice one of the relays went down temporarily etc

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        I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

        Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

        That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

        #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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        @ggrey care to explain how this works? when i register i get a [hash]@[relaydomain] and i can take that identifier to another relay? does the @[relaydomain] change then? just curious how it works

        cc @delta

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          I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

          Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

          That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

          #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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          @ggrey @delta I think its ease of use and simplicity is why so many people on Mastodon want to argue about it. A certain kind of tech person will never forgive a software technology for not needing them. Delta actually works. And I would put Matrix in the "doesn't really work" category compared to Delta.

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          • G̸u̸a̸l̸t̸i̸e̸r̸o̸G G̸u̸a̸l̸t̸i̸e̸r̸o̸

            I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

            Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

            That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

            #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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            @ggrey @delta I wasn't aware that this was possible... Do you know where I could find a list of additional public relays?

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            • nathanaelN nathanael

              @ggrey care to explain how this works? when i register i get a [hash]@[relaydomain] and i can take that identifier to another relay? does the @[relaydomain] change then? just curious how it works

              cc @delta

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              @nathanael

              You register with one relay. That's your entry point which gives you encryption keys, stored on your device. Then the random email address created on registration doesn't matter anymore. Your keys do. And so even if you register with another relay, it's still your keys that do the job and guarantee your identity, not the random email address. Hope I got this right, I'm not a developer, just a random advanced user 🙏

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              • lpsL lps

                @ggrey @delta I wasn't aware that this was possible... Do you know where I could find a list of additional public relays?

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                @lps

                Here they are

                https://chatmail.at/relays

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                • G̸u̸a̸l̸t̸i̸e̸r̸o̸G G̸u̸a̸l̸t̸i̸e̸r̸o̸

                  I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

                  Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

                  That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

                  #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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                  @ggrey @delta it's just different degrees of decentralization. It's not a binary.

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                    I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

                    Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

                    That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

                    #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

                    Amin GirasolF This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @ggrey @delta I had high hopes for Matrix, but it seems to be built on a very rickety, over-complex foundation. Several years later, it hasn't improved. I far prefer Delta Chat.

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                    • Amin GirasolF Amin Girasol

                      @ggrey @delta I had high hopes for Matrix, but it seems to be built on a very rickety, over-complex foundation. Several years later, it hasn't improved. I far prefer Delta Chat.

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                      @fluidlogic

                      I personally see Matrix more for institutional and government usage than the random guy at the pub trying to chat his friends 😂😂😂

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                        @nathanael

                        You register with one relay. That's your entry point which gives you encryption keys, stored on your device. Then the random email address created on registration doesn't matter anymore. Your keys do. And so even if you register with another relay, it's still your keys that do the job and guarantee your identity, not the random email address. Hope I got this right, I'm not a developer, just a random advanced user 🙏

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                        @ggrey @nathanael When you went to send a message to someone, you need to know the relay though. According the FAQ https://delta.chat/en/help#relays it seems possible to change if you give it enough time. I guess an old relay can advertise the new relay when you do change

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                          @ggrey @nathanael When you went to send a message to someone, you need to know the relay though. According the FAQ https://delta.chat/en/help#relays it seems possible to change if you give it enough time. I guess an old relay can advertise the new relay when you do change

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                          @vmaurin @nathanael

                          That's evolving my friend. Stay tuned 😉

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                            I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

                            Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

                            That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

                            #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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                            @ggrey @delta

                            You're absolutely right, and you're not wrong.

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                              @ggrey @delta I wasn't aware that this was possible... Do you know where I could find a list of additional public relays?

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                              @lps @ggrey https://chatmail.at/relays is a good initial list

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                              • vmaurinV vmaurin

                                @ggrey @nathanael When you went to send a message to someone, you need to know the relay though. According the FAQ https://delta.chat/en/help#relays it seems possible to change if you give it enough time. I guess an old relay can advertise the new relay when you do change

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                                @vmaurin @ggrey adding multiple relays seems to protect from one relay going rogue. but this seems to be an advanced feature

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                                  @fluidlogic

                                  I personally see Matrix more for institutional and government usage than the random guy at the pub trying to chat his friends 😂😂😂

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                                  @ggrey that's an interesting and useful perspective on it. Thank you!

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                                    @vmaurin @ggrey adding multiple relays seems to protect from one relay going rogue. but this seems to be an advanced feature

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                                    @nathanael @vmaurin it may be right now, but Delta Chat is still in its early stages (well, that's a statement 😂😂)

                                    Think about what WhatsApp was when it was first available.

                                    Delta Chat hasn't got the VC money WhatsApp and other apps had in the past, and they are doing a great job in under promising and over delivering 😉

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                                    • Amin GirasolF Amin Girasol

                                      @ggrey that's an interesting and useful perspective on it. Thank you!

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                                      @fluidlogic you're welcome 🙏

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                                      • G̸u̸a̸l̸t̸i̸e̸r̸o̸G G̸u̸a̸l̸t̸i̸e̸r̸o̸

                                        I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

                                        Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

                                        That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

                                        #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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                                        @ggrey @delta I had no idea how to configure multiple relays in DeltaChat. Now I have the primary one where I created my account and nine.testrun.org, which is the most "stable" one as far as I understand.

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                                        • totoT toto

                                          @ggrey @delta I had no idea how to configure multiple relays in DeltaChat. Now I have the primary one where I created my account and nine.testrun.org, which is the most "stable" one as far as I understand.

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                                          @toto

                                          Add more my friend 😉

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