Do you ever get turned on by your own body/presentation?
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@gabriel @alice @jwdt I think there's also a general difference between finding oneself attractive and getting turned on by oneself?
And of course also the whole "not my type" thingBesides that I think many people see themselves not the same as other people see them: because we're all aware about our inner states and every tiny little thought. But I wouldn't be aware of those things if I would just observe a clone of me
So it doesn't seem unusual if somebody finds me hot, even if I don't -
@gabriel @alice @jwdt I think there's also a general difference between finding oneself attractive and getting turned on by oneself?
And of course also the whole "not my type" thingBesides that I think many people see themselves not the same as other people see them: because we're all aware about our inner states and every tiny little thought. But I wouldn't be aware of those things if I would just observe a clone of me
So it doesn't seem unusual if somebody finds me hot, even if I don't@gabriel @alice @jwdt (and besides that, I understand "being with someone" as "dating someone" and that doesn't even need sex or physical attraction at all. So of course I can expect somebody to want to be with me, even if I don't get turned on by myself, even if that would mean, that nobody does either (which I don't agree with/think is true))
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Now I'm curious how different the answers would be if I'd phrased the question as "If you could be someone else for a day, and had the opportunity to, would you fuck yourself?"
@alice my answer would change. I answered yes, but I probably wouldn't fuck myself, because I'm just not really compatible with myself sex-wise. And I'm just not into sex that's not good for either party. Unless "being someone else" would also change some of my sexual preferences (in the right way), then I would fuck myself
(Realistically speaking I probably would fuck myself either way, just because it's a once in a lifetime chance and would make a good story
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@momo I asked my (very cishet) mom a (watered down) version of this question, and she was like "eww, no".
Apparently she likes penises, and body hair, and boy-smell, and such.
Though she shaves her body, wears makeup and perfume, and dresses feminine.
And it blew my mind that you'd want to make yourself less attractive to yourself.
I mean, I haven't always found myself attractive, even though I know a lot of other folx did, but I've always worked to make myself more attractive *to me*. It took a lot of unlearning toxic shit, but now that I can find myself attractive, I *wish* I'd gotten here so much sooner.
@momo @alice haha, that's the reason I (not a man) used to use men's deodorant: it smells good to me (which probably isn't by accident: I'm the target group since I'm (also) attracted to men). And I want to smell good!
(Then there are also things that are hot on other people but just not my style. But I'm also already hot enough without those things)
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@alice I'd date myself, I think I'm really attractive. Fuck myself? As myself, maybe; as someone else, no
But also demisexual so@AbsentAbigail that's fair.
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Do you ever get turned on by your own body/presentation?
Pick the answer that best represents your current gender expression and orientation.
@alice Nothing from above because I'm an egosexual.
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@eruonna so, when I say "other folx gender wasn't really a factor in who I found attractiveยน", the ยน stands for "it's more complicated than that", specifically:
- body hair is a huge turnoff for me, and (most) men tend to let that stuff grow wild
- "boy-smellยฒ" is another big turnoff for me, and surprise, it's significantly more common on boys
- in general, men need to put in a similar amount of workยณ as women for me to find them attractiveSo it shakes out that I end up being hot for way more women and other femme-presenting folx than I do men or masc-presenting folx, just by merit of two of my biggest turn-offs happening to be *way* more common in men (gay men offset this math somewhat, but they tend to be gay, so

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๏ธ).ยฒ that musky gym sock smell. I know some folx love itโhell, they make like a hundred 12-in-1 body products to make men specifically smell *more* like that, so someone must think it smells good. Give me vanillas, strawberries, brass, lock lubricant, etc *anyโด* day.
ยณ most don't.
one of the fascinating effects of transition for me has been how much more sensitive my nose has become in general.
'boysmell' - testosterone-associated body chemistry bacterial load, vs. estrogen-associated body chemistry bacterial load for the pedants lol - is very sharp and distinctive; girlsmell is categorically different.
also it was hilarious when my smell shifted polarity; the cats noticed first and they were looking at me really weird for, like, a week before I figured out what was happening lol
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@eruonna so, when I say "other folx gender wasn't really a factor in who I found attractiveยน", the ยน stands for "it's more complicated than that", specifically:
- body hair is a huge turnoff for me, and (most) men tend to let that stuff grow wild
- "boy-smellยฒ" is another big turnoff for me, and surprise, it's significantly more common on boys
- in general, men need to put in a similar amount of workยณ as women for me to find them attractiveSo it shakes out that I end up being hot for way more women and other femme-presenting folx than I do men or masc-presenting folx, just by merit of two of my biggest turn-offs happening to be *way* more common in men (gay men offset this math somewhat, but they tend to be gay, so

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๏ธ).ยฒ that musky gym sock smell. I know some folx love itโhell, they make like a hundred 12-in-1 body products to make men specifically smell *more* like that, so someone must think it smells good. Give me vanillas, strawberries, brass, lock lubricant, etc *anyโด* day.
ยณ most don't.
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Now I'm curious how different the answers would be if I'd phrased the question as "If you could be someone else for a day, and had the opportunity to, would you fuck yourself?"
@alice I wouldn't. I'm gross.
I'm blessed my wife doesn't agree.