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Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

    mmbyM This user is from outside of this forum
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    mmby
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    @cstross you realize this is intriguing but from the outside-in extremely on-brand?

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

      David GerardD This user is from outside of this forum
      David GerardD This user is from outside of this forum
      David Gerard
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      @cstross 3dfx inspired, right?

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      • STPS STP

        @cstross Can I join a list for a signed first edition hardcover of this now?

        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
        Charlie Stross
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        @SciPolTech No because I'm not writing it: I'm already 400 words into the sequel to "Starter Pack" and it's going to take me the rest of the year.

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

          Daniel CarosoneU This user is from outside of this forum
          Daniel CarosoneU This user is from outside of this forum
          Daniel Carosone
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          @cstross all accident compensation claims are made directly by the victims, in the flesh (or whatever's left of it)

          Companies are very serious about safety.

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

            In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

            acbA This user is from outside of this forum
            acbA This user is from outside of this forum
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            @cstross K.W. Jeter did something similar in β€œNoir”

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

              In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

              sabikS This user is from outside of this forum
              sabikS This user is from outside of this forum
              sabik
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              @cstross
              Ghosts with unfinished business... literally

              A director can't pass on until replaced at the next AGM

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
                InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
                Infoseepage
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                @cstross Tangentially related, what if a practical cure for aging was discovered? There is a novel called The Postmortal which imagines the many dystopian aspects of never dying.

                Richard K Morgan's Altered Carbon series imagines immortality via mind uploading and body swapping tech as technologies which demonstrably have lead to the end of alien civilizations but which humans just can't resist.

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                  In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                  TheTomasT This user is from outside of this forum
                  TheTomasT This user is from outside of this forum
                  TheTomas
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                  @cstross ah you're talking about 100year copyright protection rights?

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                  • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                    @cstross Tangentially related, what if a practical cure for aging was discovered? There is a novel called The Postmortal which imagines the many dystopian aspects of never dying.

                    Richard K Morgan's Altered Carbon series imagines immortality via mind uploading and body swapping tech as technologies which demonstrably have lead to the end of alien civilizations but which humans just can't resist.

                    InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
                    InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
                    Infoseepage
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                    @cstross Both have the idea of immortality as a sort of cultural trap with the potential for permanent underclasses and rulling classes and horrifically long term contracts.

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                      David SP This user is from outside of this forum
                      David SP This user is from outside of this forum
                      David S
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                      #14

                      @cstross

                      Sounds a bit like Jack Gilmour

                      https://www.goodreads.com/series/375633-wish-lawyer-law-is-hell

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                        wiredfoolW This user is from outside of this forum
                        wiredfoolW This user is from outside of this forum
                        wiredfool
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                        #15

                        @cstross Sounds a bit like some of Max Gladstones work.

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                        • leyrerL leyrer

                          @cstross your brain wouldn't stop, throwing ideass at you, would it?

                          towoT This user is from outside of this forum
                          towoT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @leyrer
                          Sometimes it's just @foone being a muse: https://wandering.shop/@cstross/116108084351760427
                          @cstross

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                            In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                            molosovsky  πŸΏβœŠπŸ’—M This user is from outside of this forum
                            molosovsky  πŸΏβœŠπŸ’—M This user is from outside of this forum
                            molosovsky πŸΏβœŠπŸ’—
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                            @cstross See real world demonology and immortality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juridical_person

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                            • towoT towo

                              @leyrer
                              Sometimes it's just @foone being a muse: https://wandering.shop/@cstross/116108084351760427
                              @cstross

                              leyrerL This user is from outside of this forum
                              leyrerL This user is from outside of this forum
                              leyrer
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                              @towo I saw that πŸ˜„

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                              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                Marco AntoniottiM This user is from outside of this forum
                                Marco AntoniottiM This user is from outside of this forum
                                Marco Antoniotti
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                                @cstross may I suggest Katarina Pistor's "The Code of Capital"?

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                                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                  Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                  In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                  ElectropictE This user is from outside of this forum
                                  ElectropictE This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Electropict
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                                  @cstross

                                  I think we're just about there IRL.

                                  Someone just needs to pitch it to the VCs and obtainable politicians:

                                  LLM bots that not only mimic your features, voice and writing style, but also can maintain your legal existence, rights, liabilities and specifically copyrights until the heat death of capitalism.

                                  There's money to be made, or rather, kept...

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                    xinit β˜• / πŸ—‘β€πŸ”₯X This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    xinit β˜• / πŸ—‘β€πŸ”₯
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                                    #21

                                    @cstross
                                    That feels familiar, but not sure why. Maybe a short story from some anthology, or something Deathy from Terry Pratchett or Piers Anthony or what's his name that did Sandman.

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                      Wolf_BaginskiW This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Wolf_BaginskiW This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Wolf_Baginski
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                                      @cstross

                                      Driven a little bit by personal experience, would these particular Contract Lawyers be Barristers? I had to pay one for specialised legal advice, not for representation in court.

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                                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                        SeachaintS This user is from outside of this forum
                                        SeachaintS This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Seachaint
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                                        @cstross If you haven't yet seen the show "Extraordinary", it's a must watch. There's a character in it who can do sΓ©ance-style summonings of the dead, so of course her job is to work with lawyers untangling wills and titles πŸ™‚

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                                        • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                                          @cstross Tangentially related, what if a practical cure for aging was discovered? There is a novel called The Postmortal which imagines the many dystopian aspects of never dying.

                                          Richard K Morgan's Altered Carbon series imagines immortality via mind uploading and body swapping tech as technologies which demonstrably have lead to the end of alien civilizations but which humans just can't resist.

                                          Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Charlie Stross
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                                          @Infoseepage Ssh, that might be a spoiler for the novel I just finished …!

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