Should citizens of your country that live elsewhere have the right to vote?

@fabio say "emigrant" then. If you're living outside of Brazil, you're not an immigrant to Brazil.

@fabio say "emigrant" then. If you're living outside of Brazil, you're not an immigrant to Brazil.

@fabio I intentionally chose "expatriate" as an accurate and clear term for describing citizens who live outside their nation of citizenship.

"Expatriate" and "emigrant" are almost synonyms, but "emigrant" is less well known and suggests the immediate aftermath of leaving.

I considered "overseas citizens", "voters abroad", and other terms, but I settled on expatriate because it's clear and accurate.

@fabio I am aware of the concern you expressed.

People from richer countries living in poorer countries often have the luxury of defining themselves by their relationship with their home country, so they call themselves "expatriates" and expect others to do so too.

People from poorer countries don't have that luxury. They are defined by people in their new home country, so they are called "immigrants". Association with their country of origin is highlighted as a sign of unworthiness.

@fabio say "emigrant" then. If you're living outside of Brazil, you're not an immigrant to Brazil.

@evan I like how Germany does things. Not only can Germans who live abroad vote, European (non-German) citizens can also vote in Germany for local parliaments. They can also vote in the European Parliament elections.

I would love it if non-European citizens living in Germany had the same possibility. I also think it would be good if they could vote at state level.

@evan @fabio Fabio is right. Expatriate is a term that spun out of white colonizers living in the other parts of the world, where they have no intention of becoming a part of the society, including accepting citizenship.

Would most people call Jamaican temporary foreign workers on Canadian farms that are treated as slave labour "expats"?

When I went to China to work, was I a Canadian expat? Would I be considered one from the lens of a Chinese national vs a Canadian? The place where I was born is a part of China now. I don't even know what my rights are anymore with regards to my birth place. I'm a Canadian citizen.

Expatriate is a term that's drowning in class, racism, and white colonial history. Perhaps you should reconsider its use.

@evan @fabio Fabio is right. Expatriate is a term that spun out of white colonizers living in the other parts of the world, where they have no intention of becoming a part of the society, including accepting citizenship.

Would most people call Jamaican temporary foreign workers on Canadian farms that are treated as slave labour "expats"?

When I went to China to work, was I a Canadian expat? Would I be considered one from the lens of a Chinese national vs a Canadian? The place where I was born is a part of China now. I don't even know what my rights are anymore with regards to my birth place. I'm a Canadian citizen.

Expatriate is a term that's drowning in class, racism, and white colonial history. Perhaps you should reconsider its use.

@fabio I intentionally chose "expatriate" as an accurate and clear term for describing citizens who live outside their nation of citizenship.

"Expatriate" and "emigrant" are almost synonyms, but "emigrant" is less well known and suggests the immediate aftermath of leaving.

I considered "overseas citizens", "voters abroad", and other terms, but I settled on expatriate because it's clear and accurate.

@evan @fabio And further down the thread to:
https://cosocial.ca/@evan/115956282132331931

"Country of origin" also gets really messy if you have multiple citizenships and grew up in different places. Or if some citizenships no longer exist (like my birth place).

A clearer, not-problematic question: "Should people who do not permanently reside in their country of citizenship have the right to vote?"

@mayintoronto @evan @fabio

I worked in other countries and adopted the expat label, without thinking, frankly just because everyone else was using it.

After some reflection I think that calling myself a "guest worker" was more appropriate. So that is whatI started using toward the end.

Same idea but a bit less formal than "temporary foreign worker".

Should citizens of your country that live elsewhere have the right to vote?

#EvanPoll #poll

@evan @fabio And further down the thread to:
https://cosocial.ca/@evan/115956282132331931

"Country of origin" also gets really messy if you have multiple citizenships and grew up in different places. Or if some citizenships no longer exist (like my birth place).

A clearer, not-problematic question: "Should people who do not permanently reside in their country of citizenship have the right to vote?"

@mayintoronto @evan @fabio Just chiming in that I also agree that expat is a bad word and you should consider not using it.

I call myself an immigrant from Brazil. People call themseves immigrants from a country, the government refers to us refers to us as immigrants.

We’re not expats.

Thanks for coming to my talk.

@evan @fabio Fabio is right. Expatriate is a term that spun out of white colonizers living in the other parts of the world, where they have no intention of becoming a part of the society, including accepting citizenship.

Would most people call Jamaican temporary foreign workers on Canadian farms that are treated as slave labour "expats"?

When I went to China to work, was I a Canadian expat? Would I be considered one from the lens of a Chinese national vs a Canadian? The place where I was born is a part of China now. I don't even know what my rights are anymore with regards to my birth place. I'm a Canadian citizen.

Expatriate is a term that's drowning in class, racism, and white colonial history. Perhaps you should reconsider its use.

@renata @mayintoronto @fabio Expatriate is a problem in a context, and I am not using it in that context.

@mayintoronto @fabio Great, you should definitely make that poll!

@evan @fabio Fabio is right. Expatriate is a term that spun out of white colonizers living in the other parts of the world, where they have no intention of becoming a part of the society, including accepting citizenship.

Would most people call Jamaican temporary foreign workers on Canadian farms that are treated as slave labour "expats"?

When I went to China to work, was I a Canadian expat? Would I be considered one from the lens of a Chinese national vs a Canadian? The place where I was born is a part of China now. I don't even know what my rights are anymore with regards to my birth place. I'm a Canadian citizen.

Expatriate is a term that's drowning in class, racism, and white colonial history. Perhaps you should reconsider its use.

@mayintoronto @fabio In Canada, some people who work and live abroad are called "Canadians abroad":

https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/living-abroad

I also like "snowbirds" for the very specific set of people who live abroad only during the winter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbird_(person)

@evan I'm asking you to reconsider your position on the term "expatriate", and to perhaps refrain from using it in this context in the future.

I don't care about the poll itself, since I know that editing is not an option.

@fabio