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I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

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  • Z̈oéU Z̈oé

    @funambolo @anttipeltola „it’s not that simple! if it was so simple then why would they charge so much money for it??“ 😒

    AlexM This user is from outside of this forum
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    Alex
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    #10

    @uint8_t most of these services are overcharged for what you get and they are built on top of free labor. @funambolo @anttipeltola

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    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

      Finnish universities 1996:

      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

      Finnish universities 2026:

      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

      Learned helplessness.

      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

      Geli Gak?G This user is from outside of this forum
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      Geli Gak?
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      @anttipeltola come on Europe, I believe you can do that.

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      • AlexM Alex

        @uint8_t most of these services are overcharged for what you get and they are built on top of free labor. @funambolo @anttipeltola

        Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
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        Antti Peltola ⁂
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        #12

        @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

        The age-old Silicon Valley trick of freeloading on others' free labour and making huge profits out of enshittification while calling themselves "innovators".

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        • FunamboloF Funambolo

          @anttipeltola exactly. It is also absurd how the public sector believes it is ok to pay hundreds of millions of euros to U.S. companies instead of probably spending a fraction of that money build their own solution based on existing open source code and open standard.

          Human after allH This user is from outside of this forum
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          Human after all
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          #13

          @funambolo @anttipeltola in many cases totally illegally and in ignorance of EU privacy laws

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          • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

            I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

            Finnish universities 1996:

            "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

            Finnish universities 2026:

            "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

            Learned helplessness.

            #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

            Toni AittoniemiG This user is from outside of this forum
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            Toni Aittoniemi
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            #14

            @anttipeltola Learned helplessness = The boring end of authoritarianism. Submission.

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            • Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺K Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺

              @anttipeltola

              Creating a successful Facebook replacement has little to do with underlying technology or university education system. Success depends far more on access to deep, liquid capital markets and a large domestic market that can serve as a launching pad for international growth.

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              #15

              @kongakong @anttipeltola The point is that institutions don't need a facebook replacement to be built. Personally I don't see why a simple website isn't enough, but people seem to be less and less able to even create those.

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              • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                Finnish universities 1996:

                "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                Finnish universities 2026:

                "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                Learned helplessness.

                #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                CalcaneoU This user is from outside of this forum
                CalcaneoU This user is from outside of this forum
                Calcaneo
                wrote last edited by
                #16

                @anttipeltola It makes me so sad to see this is true elsewhere... I truly thought it was a local problem for us 😞

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                • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                  I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                  Finnish universities 1996:

                  "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                  Finnish universities 2026:

                  "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                  Learned helplessness.

                  #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                  N This user is from outside of this forum
                  N This user is from outside of this forum
                  nothacking
                  wrote last edited by
                  #17

                  @anttipeltola There are lots of organizations and businesses that have a website, but refuse to use it:

                  > For opening hours, please see our instagram

                  You're lucky to find the address on the web. Anything remotely useful will be locked on a platform where you can't even read it without making an account.

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                  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                    Finnish universities 1996:

                    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                    Finnish universities 2026:

                    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                    Learned helplessness.

                    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                    HannuF This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Hannu
                    wrote last edited by
                    #18

                    @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

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                    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                      Finnish universities 1996:

                      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                      Finnish universities 2026:

                      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                      Learned helplessness.

                      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                      VladimirC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Vladimir
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                      #19

                      @anttipeltola Microsoft DreamsPark/Azure Tools for Teaching.

                      Let's put it this way: for past 15 years, life science graduates with pretty advanced degrees can't do a non-linear regression unless there is a specific 1000 EUR per year per user software package provided.

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                      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                        Finnish universities 1996:

                        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                        Finnish universities 2026:

                        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                        Learned helplessness.

                        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                        tuban_muzuruT This user is from outside of this forum
                        tuban_muzuruT This user is from outside of this forum
                        tuban_muzuru
                        wrote last edited by
                        #20

                        @anttipeltola

                        Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

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                        • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                          I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                          Finnish universities 1996:

                          "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                          Finnish universities 2026:

                          "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                          Learned helplessness.

                          #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                          FoolishOwlF This user is from outside of this forum
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                          FoolishOwl
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                          #21

                          @anttipeltola When I've read histories of computers and programming, I was surprised how often Finnish universities were mentioned.

                          This also sounds like what's happened with universities in the US. In the 90s, a lot of significant software was developed and supported by universities and government-funded research organizations. But universities ended up outsourcing their IT.

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                          • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                            I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                            Finnish universities 1996:

                            "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                            Finnish universities 2026:

                            "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                            Learned helplessness.

                            #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                            ΓιανίρηςI This user is from outside of this forum
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                            Γιανίρης
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                            #22

                            #Finland B 4 NATO and Finland after

                            Linux before Trovalds became a millionaire and after ... he moved to FB-land

                            @anttipeltola

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                            • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

                              @anttipeltola

                              Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

                              Juho MäntysaloI This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @tuban_muzuru @anttipeltola

                              Well, one less social interaction for the customer, and less need for a dedicated cashier.

                              By local standards, this counts as a win-win.

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                              • HannuF Hannu

                                @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

                                Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @FknHannu

                                Yup. Over 500 boosts now. That's "going viral" for me.

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                                • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                  @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                                  The age-old Silicon Valley trick of freeloading on others' free labour and making huge profits out of enshittification while calling themselves "innovators".

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                                  Alex
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                                  #25

                                  @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

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                                  • AlexM Alex

                                    @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

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                                    @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                                    Yes, this could be a reasonable anarchist solution for taking down the system without firing a shot.

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                                    • Petri SalmelaP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                                      (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                                      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                        Finnish universities 1996:

                                        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                        Finnish universities 2026:

                                        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                        Learned helplessness.

                                        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                        TommiT This user is from outside of this forum
                                        TommiT This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Tommi
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                                        @anttipeltola found it!

                                        https://jontka.fi/@tommi/116011921642382637

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                                        • Petri SalmelaP Petri Salmela

                                          @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                                          (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                                          Kähisijäahon Pää-Äljy
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                                          @anttipeltola @openfactory @pesasa wasn't ssh deveped while Ylönen was researcher at Helsinki University of Technology?

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