The Great Migration 🚀

@pwm Looks interesting, I don't think I've heard of Deltachat before. By far the biggest issue with new messaging apps is you have to get everyone you're talking to to switch too and I just got most of them to get Signal so I don't think I'm going to be able to get them to switch again lol

@dansup @matrix @xmpp Part of me wish I had all of these services, but just one identity/login between them.

@techindepth27 Deltachat provides an interface and equivalent (if not better) encryption to signal/telegram/whatsapp. You can run their dedicated chatmail suite of software or even point the thing at any email server with imap (I host my own using maddy this way). Which is pretty strong for adoption imo because everyone has email already.
I use the hell out of it for internet people and cannot recommend it highly enough.
But yeah, the main problem of setting up software to talk to people is that you largely only get to talk to people already using it. As before, that's partially solved by the fact that everyone has email so the only barrier is installing an app, but even that's too much friction for many.

@dansup

#WhatsAppAlternatives #METABoycott #USAboycott

European privacy-friendly options, I’m not an expert. What do you think about these? Did I miss anything?

️ SESSION *
Focus on high anonymity.
Decentralized network , easy to use.
No phone, ID or email required
Open Source. FREE

️ SIMPLEX *
Focus on maximum privacy
No user IDs or phone numbers required.
Open Source. FREE

️ THREEMA ***
Very popular in Germany
Uses anonymous 8-digit Threema ID. Proprietary code (but audited) 1 time 5€

DELTA CHAT *
Super easy to use, user can open an account just with a nick name. No user IDs or phone numbers required.
Open Source. FREE

ELEMENT / MATRIX *
Perfect for secure communication.
Federated (choose your server).
Communicate with anyone using Matrix protocol applications. Open Source. FREE

SIGNAL ***
Requires a Phone, metadata concerns ️
FREE

*Open Source
**Proprietary
***Hybrid 50%-50%

Comparison by
https://
eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm

@dansup How is @supapp progressing?

@techindepth27 @hyc It's dependent on the source of the app I think. When you get the self-updating APK from their website or from #fdroid through adding the @guardianproject repo it should be resolved.

@hyc @dansup @matrix @xmpp
huawei uses harmonyos, which may not be compatible with android.
older phones used android.

@LightningToaster That would make sense I think I have the F-droid version

@dansup Thank you!

@dansup @matrix @xmpp Brother, how to fight the "Network Effect" that these Tech Giants' apps already have?

@dansup

@matrix @xmpp

@dansup
> * - I know signal isn't federated, consider @matrix or @xmpp alternatively

How about pointing to https://quicksy.im/ rather than Signal? And @snikket_im for those who prefer #selfhosting ?

#Quicksy is by far the easiest way to get into #XMPP, and it behaves like WhatsApp (and Signal) users expect, with automatic contact discovery.

We need truly open instant messaging, not more walled gardens. However much good Signal has done for privacy in IM, it is *not* the golden answer to WhatsApp, Telegram, and all the other monolithic platforms.

@daniel
@matrix @xmpp

@dansup I forgot about Friendica when researching FB alternatives for community org! Thank you!

@dansup @matrix @xmpp What about Olvid instead of Signal? Any experience? (We are testing it at home these days.)

@dansup But what if “we” don’t want the people left on X?

@dansup @matrix @xmpp

digg ---> reddit

whops wrong decade!

@dansup @matrix @xmpp

I recently heard about the holochain (currently at the end of development) that will start to make possible to build your own local SELF-hosted, decentralized and encrypted chat room (also cloud...)

everything (redundancy mngt, encryption, storage split between servers, storage itself...) will be made by terminal of members of the chat room and no other server will be involved... (Thus it will request storage allocation from each member)

not only the data are decentralized, but then also the infrastructure with the control of it

That could be the next security & privacy revolution...

Exemple :
https://volla.online/en/volla-cloud/

@LightningToaster @techindepth27 @guardianproject Thanks I'll check where I installed it from and try fdroid.

@hyc Just a heads up, apparently the official F-droid app has some security issues and isn't recommended. I've used Neo-Store and @droidify Also as @LightningToaster mentioned, you'll need to add the @guardianproject repo in the settings to get Signal to show up

@MartinaNeumayer @dansup @kitkat Molly, a fork of Signal that, among other things, has already removed Signal's dependency on Google's Firebase Cloud Messaging by replacing it with UnifiedPush and their own MollySocket service, is also working to implement an open-source version of the server under the code name Flatline: github.com/mollyim/flatline-pl…