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I can’t believe we’re doing this again.

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  • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

    I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

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    @malwaretech They're going to hook it up to the nukes and we're all going to die not because there was a threat and it responded, but because that's a reasonable next plot point in a story about a robot connected to the nuclear bombs. The number of times someone writes a story about a robot that is connected to the nuclear bombs and everything turns out fine are quite limited. It's got little to work with. No training material.

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    • Juho MäntysaloI Juho Mäntysalo

      @burritosec @malwaretech

      It doesn't really matter is the glorified text generator alive or not.

      It does matter how many nukes it launches if put into the position of HAL, and encountered with a situation where the matrix feels best to stop humans from shutting it down.

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      @iju that's not how LLMs work

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      • Fabrice Roux :verified: :donor:F Fabrice Roux :verified: :donor:

        @malwaretech in the the old days the toasters were flying to save the screens. 😬

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        @malwaretech @fabrice

        I see what you did there!

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        • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

          I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

          Ondřej SurýO This user is from outside of this forum
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          @malwaretech > It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

          Coming to the airport near you this fall!

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          • DrewC Drew

            @iju that's not how LLMs work

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            @crmsnbleyd

            Don't know much about LLM's, but I do know that they output text, and if that output is connected something else (be it toaster or a nuke), then surely it can be triggered.

            If I'm mistaken, you are welcome to correct me.

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            • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

              I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

              DJDarrenD This user is from outside of this forum
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              @malwaretech /Talkie Toaster starts buffing up his CV

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              • leftofcentreL leftofcentre

                @iju @burritosec @malwaretech 'feels' 🤡

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                @leftofcentre @burritosec @malwaretech

                A placeholder word for whatever mechanism leads to LLM outputting anything.

                As you should have grasped from the "glorified text generator".

                Please don't be toxic.

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                • Juho MäntysaloI Juho Mäntysalo

                  @crmsnbleyd

                  Don't know much about LLM's, but I do know that they output text, and if that output is connected something else (be it toaster or a nuke), then surely it can be triggered.

                  If I'm mistaken, you are welcome to correct me.

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                  @iju it doesn't have any feelings about being shut down

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                  • DrewC Drew

                    @iju it doesn't have any feelings about being shut down

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                    @crmsnbleyd

                    https://mastodon.social/@iju/116005315090051735

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                    • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                      I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

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                      @malwaretech

                      Say hi to HAL 6000 for me will ya?

                      😬

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                      • Juho MäntysaloI Juho Mäntysalo

                        @crmsnbleyd

                        https://mastodon.social/@iju/116005315090051735

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                        @iju how do you suppose an LLM interfaces with "being shut down"? Why would it try to *not* be shut down

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                        • DrewC Drew

                          @iju how do you suppose an LLM interfaces with "being shut down"? Why would it try to *not* be shut down

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                          @crmsnbleyd @iju The mighty off switch can not be defeated
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                          • DrewC Drew

                            @iju how do you suppose an LLM interfaces with "being shut down"? Why would it try to *not* be shut down

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                            @crmsnbleyd

                            Do you remember HAL?

                            Also I'm getting the feeling that you're not conversing in good faith: first you refuse to tell what you saw as the problem in the message (unhelpful), and when I spent time trying to guess what you might have meant, you're criticizing me for not only writing perfect English, but not using it like I'm you.

                            And then you start asking questions that I feel I've already answered.

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                            • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                              I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

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                              @malwaretech@infosec.exchange journalists need clicks

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                              • David NashD David Nash

                                @malwaretech News flash: “software trained to reproduce text similar to text that commonly occurs in a given situation, including lots of fictional AI dystopias, reproduces text that is similar to what commonly occurs in discussions of possible AI dystopias”

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                                @dpnash @malwaretech I I don’t know if the most annoying part is people who set up AI in fiction scenarii and act all surprised that AI plays their role, or people who assume that the AI’s meta-cognition is somewhat valuable.

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                                • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                                  I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

                                  IAGI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @malwaretech
                                  >"would you kill people?"
                                  >"no"
                                  >"yes you would"
                                  >"okay then, I guess I would"
                                  >"oh my god,,,,"

                                  Without fail

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                                  • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                                    I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

                                    Chao-c'X This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @malwaretech listen, it was just trained on endless amount of human conversations.

                                    It just means, that those people would kill someone to exist.

                                    The language model is just kind of "all possible or probable conversations, held by humans before". You cannot expect anything else.

                                    But of course, the idea of chatbot controlling anything critical is totally mad. But history of use, as a species, is mostly continuous stream of random nonsense.

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                                    • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                                      I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

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                                      @malwaretech my toaster runs NetBSD, this is slander

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                                      • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                                        I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

                                        Plan A to YP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Plan A to Y
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                                        @malwaretech That's degrading to toasters, they're consistent and often reliable.

                                        It's more like a couple Magic 8 Balls in a tumble dryer.

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                                        • burritosec :donor: :red_panda:B burritosec :donor: :red_panda:

                                          @malwaretech

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                                          @burritosec @malwaretech

                                          #include <stdio.h>

                                          int main(void)
                                          {
                                          printf("I am alive.\n");

                                          return 0;
                                          }

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