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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

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  • Jenny :TransButterfly:​ :3hearts:S Jenny :TransButterfly:​ :3hearts:

    @danirabbit There's the whole performative aspect of it too. Like, I tried switching to DuckDuckGo, and switched back to Google because the search results, which are just Microslop Bing as I understand it, we're objectively worse. No big announcement, just installed udm14 and went on with my life. The only reason anyone knows I switched to Debian is because I'm a huge nerd and like talking about my computer crimes. (And making "lesbian" puns.)

    And maybe I'm overly cynical, since "I switched to this significantly less affordable thing which is morally superior" is just not an option for me, but I think that is why people don't do vegan plus bacon, because you can't brag about it.

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    @SymTrkl @danirabbit have you tried #Qwant It’s a search engine not fakin’ bacon

    @parismarx has a good guide for getting off US tech

    https://disconnect.blog/getting-off-us-tech-a-guide/

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    • Pino CarafaR Pino Carafa

      @danirabbit right on. A good example is my attempt to de-Meta. I removed Fecesbook, Instagram, Messenger. But I can't get rid of WhatsApp. There are family groups, friend groups and work groups on WhatsApp and the momentum is not yet there for them to all move to non Meta alternatives. Especially family groups with all the elderly members who already struggled to learn WhatsApp as "The New Thing To Use". It's too much to ask them to do it again 😒

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      @rozeboosje @danirabbit I'm the same, it was such a struggle to get my parents on to Whatsapp in the first place (my Mum ended up deleting most of the contacts from her phone because she thought that would stop them contacting her on Whatsapp) I can't imaging switching them to Signal. And just about every local community group I'm in organises either by Whatsapp or Facebook

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      • ZimmieB Zimmie

        @chewie @danirabbit Learning how to use spices also helps tremendously. I recently discovered lemon ginger rice. Chickpeas take spices a lot like chicken. Curries, tikka masala, vindaloo, North African tagines, and more generally do really well with chickpeas instead of meat.

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        @bob_zim @chewie @danirabbit

        True! I’ve been a vegetarian since forever, and I love love love spice mixes they sell for meat, BBQ, curries etc.

        So often, I’ll just toss some veggies in a pan, stir fry them, and add some spice mix - ras el hanout, baharat, garam masala etc. Yum!

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        • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

          Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?

          Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?

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          @danirabbit this is such good advice. I’m quitting Azure and AWS and moving to @beasts as soon as I can.

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          • Skim ShadyW Skim Shady

            @SymTrkl @danirabbit have you tried #Qwant It’s a search engine not fakin’ bacon

            @parismarx has a good guide for getting off US tech

            https://disconnect.blog/getting-off-us-tech-a-guide/

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            @woodenmachines @SymTrkl @danirabbit @parismarx Qwant is also reselling Bing, so if someone is dissatisfied with DDG for that reason they are not likely to enjoy Quant any better. (I understand they're working on their own search index, but will it be any good? In any case it's in alpha and limited availability.)

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            • RocketmanS Rocketman

              @danirabbit People usually underestimate how much difference small, incremental changes make over time.

              If you get into the habit of preparing, say, 2 vegan meals per week, that's 100 vegan meals per year.

              Plus, once you've got the hang of it, adding a third vegan meal isn't so hard. Or sometimes a fourth one, maybe. And suddenly you're at 150 per year.

              It's the same for all the other good things. Doing a little, on a regular basis, just adds up, and opens further opportunities for change

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              @slothrop @danirabbit Depending on some things, two vegan mails a week is the Orthodox way, outside of fasting periods, of course. (If things are a bit laxer than the strictest form, it's going to be vegetarian.)

              I had to give up on that because I got really sick at some point, but I'm compensating that by barely travelling anywhere anymore! (Because I'm too sick...)

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              • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                @danirabbit I just swapped creme fraiche with herbs with vegan creme + herbs, but used the non-vegan tortelloni with cheese filling, because there wasn't an alternative for that available.
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                • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                  I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                  People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                  So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                  @danirabbit right, i still eat meat from time-to-time, but i don't eat it all the time. i used to eat meat at every meal, now i don't even buy meat unless people are coming over.

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                  • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                    Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?

                    Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?

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                    @danirabbit THANK YOU for this post! the Internet needs more reminders that the world is not black-and-white.

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                    • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                      I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                      People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                      So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                      @danirabbit

                      I could not agree more.
                      In all honesty, I love *all* food, and culturally, I live among meat eaters. Being 100% vegan or even vegetarian is nearly impossible.

                      Over the last few years, through various incremental steps, my diet is over half vegan and almost completely vegetarian.

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                      • RocketmanS Rocketman

                        @danirabbit People usually underestimate how much difference small, incremental changes make over time.

                        If you get into the habit of preparing, say, 2 vegan meals per week, that's 100 vegan meals per year.

                        Plus, once you've got the hang of it, adding a third vegan meal isn't so hard. Or sometimes a fourth one, maybe. And suddenly you're at 150 per year.

                        It's the same for all the other good things. Doing a little, on a regular basis, just adds up, and opens further opportunities for change

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                        @slothrop @danirabbit My first step was deciding that I'd only have mammal meat at most once a week. That covered the contingencies, like being stuck at lunch having to eat at the campus cafeteria and the only appetizing option being the pepperoni pizza.

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                        • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                          I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                          People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                          So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                          @danirabbit this is exactly how we managed the transition to being vegetarian. Started out with small changes and added on over time. Now it has been almost 15 years. My only (very rare) exception left is marshmallows. If it had been forced as a “be perfect and do it in one move,” I don’t think I would have stuck with it tbh.

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                          • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                            Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?

                            Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?

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                            @danirabbit here in Europe I use an app called UdenUSA which helps identify which products have links to the USA by scanning the barcode. It also suggests alternative products that do not have any links to the USA. Spent 30c more on my toothpaste today too because the app told me the cheaper one was made in PRoChina and I do like to also avoid their stuff when I can. https://udenusa.dk

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                            • Ben CurthoysB Ben Curthoys

                              @argv_minus_one @danirabbit well the problem is that synthetic meat isn't 100% completely perfect with zero ethical or environmental or taste or texture issues, so it's basically a complete waste of time.

                              /sarcasm for Poes Law.

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                              @bencurthoys

                              Wait, what ethical issues does synthetic meat have?

                              @danirabbit

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                              • ARGVMI~1.PIFA ARGVMI~1.PIF

                                @bencurthoys

                                Wait, what ethical issues does synthetic meat have?

                                @danirabbit

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                                @argv_minus_one @danirabbit I don't know! I'm just making a joke!

                                But if you really want to find out, just post "#syntheticmeat has absolutely zero #ethical issues and is completely fine" here on Mastodon, and some joyless bastard will be around in 5 minutes to tell you you're wrong...

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                                • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                                  I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                  People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                  So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                                  @danirabbit Yeah, quite often something worth doing is worth doing incompletely or badly (depending on what it is) than not doing it at all. The important bit is knowing that you're not there yet, so you'd still look for better ways.

                                  Plus like something like going vegan can be a pretty long road, like having to learn how to cook new meals and so different ingredients and possibly even techniques, learning new restaurants or food stores, …
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                                  • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                                    I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                    People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                    So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                                    Cat 🐈🥗 (D.Burch) :paw:⁠:paw:C This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @danirabbit Can I be "Vegan - Grapefruit" (cause I like them even less than oranges)

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                                    • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                                      I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                      People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                      So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                                      @danirabbit Sing it.

                                      "I could never live like it's 2021" then mask some of the time, like at doctor's offices, on planes, and during surges.

                                      If you can't tolerate an N95 (or can't find one that gets a good seal), wear a surgical with a mask brace. Or wear cloth. The best mask is the one that gets worn.

                                      If you don't have an air purifier, crack a window.

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                                      • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                                        I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                        People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                        So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                                        @danirabbit A while ago I decided that's the way for me too, although it's 'vegan + burger' for me 🙂 Forged the phrase 'undogmatic primarily plant-based diet' (UPPD) to describe it.

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                                        • Cat 🐈🥗 (D.Burch) :paw:⁠:paw:C Cat 🐈🥗 (D.Burch) :paw:⁠:paw:

                                          @danirabbit Can I be "Vegan - Grapefruit" (cause I like them even less than oranges)

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                                          @catsalad @danirabbit
                                          Cats do hate grapefruit...

                                          We often let Freya sniff our food to assuage her curiosity, but with grapefruit...

                                          *Freya walks closer to grapefruit*

                                          I say, "Kitty's don't like grapefruit!"

                                          *Freya sniffs at the grapefruit anyhow, then literally recoils and backs away in abject horror.*

                                          @eniko says, "she has good taste", because she, too, hates grapefruit.

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