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Have you wondered where the claim that autistic people lack empathy came from? -
Got me thinking about it myself, conflicting feelings seem to cancel each other out so it seems there’s nothing in the end to express - ambivalence is where you suppress a whole range of feelings en masse.Got me thinking about it myself, conflicting feelings seem to cancel each other out so it seems there’s nothing in the end to express - ambivalence is where you suppress a whole range of feelings en masse.

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Have you wondered where the claim that autistic people lack empathy came from?@KatyElphinstone @autistics
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the number of likes the above toot got is extremely encouraging for me, thank you all so much.
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This bit of text is from just a few toots down (now gone), but I want to make a thread:
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Waaaiit a minute - this study could be interpreted exactly that way, couldn’t it? That the Autistics don’t assume the right to punish whoever was wrong, so they don’t see the problem with naming names - we Autistics lack empathy - for a cruelty we were never going to apply in the first place. It’s their cruelty to punish Sally, but our “lack of empathy,” to not even dream of it?
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So this study does indeed suggest that Autistics don’t automatically punish, or think of it.
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For my part, I knew punishment is an Allistic trait, but this is the first bit of “normal science,” that I can interpret as saying it’s not an Autistic trait. That’s sort of huge!
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Back live:
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I’m curious, were the Autistics never going to punish Sally, or is it just a separate issue? Did we think of it as we read the example, that she would be sent to prison or something before we answered?
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Or did the fact that they never said that in the setup, that it was “understood,” make it not part of the question for you, did we read it literally, this and nothing else?
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I’m so happy for this human based test of theirs, you’d never get this far with the puppet one.
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If anyone has anything, I’d love to hear it.
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Have you wondered where the claim that autistic people lack empathy came from?@EVDHmn @farah @KatyElphinstone
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oh, I’m on the coast, I don’t think my hummingbird feeder froze since November. I don’t think I’ve seen -10 this winter. -
Have you wondered where the claim that autistic people lack empathy came from?@EVDHmn @farah @KatyElphinstone
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still cool, but it almost never froze. Sun today.
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Have you wondered where the claim that autistic people lack empathy came from?@EVDHmn @farah @KatyElphinstone
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like a bad penny

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Have you wondered where the claim that autistic people lack empathy came from?@KatyElphinstone
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Thing is, when I as an Autistic blame someone or something, I’m just identifying the causal chain of events - there’s nothing “moral,” about it.
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It’s a “moral,” matter when you’re planning to punish who or whatever caused the problem. As a lifelong God’s fool sort of Autistic, that isn’t automatic, in fact I try to never punish anyone for anything.
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So “blame,” is a word that means different things to different neurotypes, making these tests faulty from the start. We’re suppose to lack empathy because for them, blaming Sally means hurting Sally, which it doesn’t for me.
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Worse, their version includes punishment, and they think that’s Human Nature and true for everyone so they don’t even try to compensate for that confound.
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Have you wondered where the claim that autistic people lack empathy came from?@farah @KatyElphinstone
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the google AI killed them, my thought too. We wouldn’t blame the person who actually looked it up before they answered! -
Finished is better than terrible #oldknees@RobertJackson58585858 @falseknees
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mine are probably terrible too, but they almost fit my tiny hands, is the point. A proper one is no use to me.
