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  • The Penguin of EvilE The Penguin of Evil

    @GossiTheDog So you are saying there is a business opportunity following claude around projects with bug bounties šŸ˜Ž

    Petr TesaříkP This user is from outside of this forum
    Petr TesaříkP This user is from outside of this forum
    Petr Tesařík
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    #37

    @etchedpixels Bug bounties? You know nothing about business…
    You set up a giant scam tool, let venture capital pay for its development, then use it to hack the world and sell all of it:

    • license the tool,
    • hacked applications,
    • vulnerability scanning,
    • protection racket from affected companies.

    That' how real capitalists do business.
    @GossiTheDog

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    • The Penguin of EvilE The Penguin of Evil

      @GossiTheDog So you are saying there is a business opportunity following claude around projects with bug bounties šŸ˜Ž

      John LuskT This user is from outside of this forum
      John LuskT This user is from outside of this forum
      John Lusk
      wrote last edited by
      #38

      @etchedpixels @GossiTheDog

      Gahhh. Takes a little effort to imagine LESS rewarding work.

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      • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

        Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

        I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

        So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

        https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

        As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

        Keith LawsonK This user is from outside of this forum
        Keith LawsonK This user is from outside of this forum
        Keith Lawson
        wrote last edited by
        #39

        @GossiTheDog This was literally the first major security mistake I made in my early days as a Perl developer and I don't imagine it's that uncommon. Claude has probably been trained with a truckload of code with these vulnerabilities.

        That's okay because we run everything in single-purpose Docker containers now though, right? /s

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        • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

          Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

          I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

          So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

          https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

          As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

          RachelR This user is from outside of this forum
          RachelR This user is from outside of this forum
          Rachel
          wrote last edited by
          #40

          @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social I wonder across the industry how common is it for orgs to skip static code analysis, or other code vulnerability scans as part of their pipelines? Even then how many of those scans are actually effective?

          Looks like AI is potentially an insider threat, and code generated by it has to be treated accordingly, even in the case of it being generated by project members and "reviewed"

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          • da_667D da_667

            @GossiTheDog

            BradleyB This user is from outside of this forum
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            Bradley
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            @da_667 @GossiTheDog

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            • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

              Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

              I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

              So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

              https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

              As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

              spinnyspinlockS This user is from outside of this forum
              spinnyspinlockS This user is from outside of this forum
              spinnyspinlock
              wrote last edited by
              #42

              @GossiTheDog I see it, could probably start a threat intelligence business off the claude feed šŸ™‚ā€ā†•ļø

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              • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                Eric LiknessC This user is from outside of this forum
                Eric LiknessC This user is from outside of this forum
                Eric Likness
                wrote last edited by
                #43

                @GossiTheDog

                That Claude is a "clod", and boy does Claude get around I tell ya'. šŸƒ

                Claude is everywhere you want an exploit to be. 🚨

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                • draeathD draeath

                  @badsamurai @da_667 @GossiTheDog I've seen setups that run tests and such all in a closed loop, I suppose if one really wanted to "use" this shit, they could implement that sort of thing too.

                  It'll cause a shedload more token use (and electrical waste) but might mitigate some of the idiocy.

                  fuzzyfuzzyfungusF This user is from outside of this forum
                  fuzzyfuzzyfungusF This user is from outside of this forum
                  fuzzyfuzzyfungus
                  wrote last edited by
                  #44

                  @draeath @badsamurai @da_667 @GossiTheDog That's what amazes me about the "hallucinated citations" stories. Making bots not hallucinate is certainly not readily feasible, quite possible infeasible in practice; but just checking citations one at a time for existence would have been cutting edge in maybe the 1960s. Why is anyone skipping such trivial cleanup steps when using a known-unreliable tool?

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                  • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                    Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                    I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                    So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                    https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                    As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                    C This user is from outside of this forum
                    C This user is from outside of this forum
                    claudex
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                    @GossiTheDog in a few months, the user creation and password management will be a solved problem, every software will have a semi-public backdoor that everybody will use

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                    • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                      Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                      I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                      So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                      https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                      As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                      kpcyrd šŸ“K This user is from outside of this forum
                      kpcyrd šŸ“K This user is from outside of this forum
                      kpcyrd šŸ“
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                      #46

                      @GossiTheDog what was the vulnerability you found in those search results over and over? I only get html and css stuff when I click that link.

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                      • draeathD draeath

                        @badsamurai @da_667 @GossiTheDog I've seen setups that run tests and such all in a closed loop, I suppose if one really wanted to "use" this shit, they could implement that sort of thing too.

                        It'll cause a shedload more token use (and electrical waste) but might mitigate some of the idiocy.

                        B'ad Samurai šŸšŸ‡ŗšŸ‡¦B This user is from outside of this forum
                        B'ad Samurai šŸšŸ‡ŗšŸ‡¦B This user is from outside of this forum
                        B'ad Samurai šŸšŸ‡ŗšŸ‡¦
                        wrote last edited by
                        #47

                        @draeath

                        These MFers yeet DIRFT (Do it right the first time) and TQM principles to play hooky on the plinko and demand you call them a genius.

                        @da_667 @GossiTheDog

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                        • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                          Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                          I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                          So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                          https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                          As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                          AnthonyA This user is from outside of this forum
                          AnthonyA This user is from outside of this forum
                          Anthony
                          wrote last edited by
                          #48
                          @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social An instance of eating the seed corn, I'd say ( https://buc.ci/abucci/p/1705679109.757852 ).
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                          • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                            Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                            I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                            So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                            https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                            As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                            Klaus FrankA This user is from outside of this forum
                            Klaus FrankA This user is from outside of this forum
                            Klaus Frank
                            wrote last edited by
                            #49

                            @GossiTheDog can you please post this also over on LinkedIn for all of the corporate people and CEOs to see?

                            We can't highlight how much of a liability generator all of this is...

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                            • B'ad Samurai šŸšŸ‡ŗšŸ‡¦B B'ad Samurai šŸšŸ‡ŗšŸ‡¦

                              @da_667 I demoed that very thing recently. Prompted up a form page and visually I could see a handful of basic JavaScript issues.

                              Ask Claude to review the code it generated for vulns using OWASP Top 10. And it finds them.

                              That’s just bonkers. Sure, a lazy initial prompt so it’s all my fault, really.

                              @GossiTheDog

                              Ron BowesI This user is from outside of this forum
                              Ron BowesI This user is from outside of this forum
                              Ron Bowes
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                              @badsamurai @da_667 @GossiTheDog Hey, as somebody writing a CTF, it's handy to get randomly introduced vulnerabilities!

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                              • cR0wC cR0w

                                @GossiTheDog If only a significant number of security practitioners could have seen it coming and warned people.

                                Klaus FrankA This user is from outside of this forum
                                Klaus FrankA This user is from outside of this forum
                                Klaus Frank
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                                #51

                                @cR0w @GossiTheDog

                                Well I guess this must be what they meant by the saying "only idiots don't learn anything from their failures and smart people even learn from the failures of others, not just their own."

                                #quote

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                                • FennixF Fennix

                                  @cR0w @GossiTheDog

                                  Dusk to Don :raccoon:D This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Dusk to Don :raccoon:D This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Dusk to Don :raccoon:
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #52

                                  @fennix @GossiTheDog

                                  I'd invite anyone to enjoy the collection of content at #directoryTraversalMemes

                                  (with @cR0w being a delightful contributor)

                                  E.g.
                                  https://infosec.exchange/@cR0w/115663258594893751

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                                  • Richard HughesH Richard Hughes

                                    @GossiTheDog I guess the AI security scanners will clean this up with their automated scan and CVE requests.</joke>

                                    Josh BressersJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Josh Bressers
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                                    #53

                                    @hughsie @GossiTheDog It’s the circle of life. Extra points if the fix has new vulnerabilities in it!

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                                    • draeathD draeath

                                      @nihkeys @DJGummikuh @GossiTheDog I don't think that phrase allows for incompetency in design. The purpose is what was intended, not what actually results. There is a distinction.

                                      ManniC This user is from outside of this forum
                                      ManniC This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Manni
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                                      #54

                                      @draeath @nihkeys @DJGummikuh @GossiTheDog not if you want to understand the system.
                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_what_it_does

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                                      • spinnyspinlockS spinnyspinlock

                                        @GossiTheDog I became used to checking projects I am checking out for claude (etc) in the source files and commits really fast

                                        TrivT This user is from outside of this forum
                                        TrivT This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Triv
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                                        #55

                                        @spinnyspinlock@infosec.exchange @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social If github lists claude (or other LLMs) as one of the top contributors I consider that a red flag

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                                        • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                                          Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                                          I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                                          So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                                          https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                                          As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                                          KyleW This user is from outside of this forum
                                          KyleW This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Kyle
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #56

                                          @GossiTheDog which framework?

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