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  3. It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

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  • Ben S.H Ben S.

    @tknarr @neil this idea is not new to the fediverse. Multiple major efforts have occurred and then faded away after being hijacked for personal vendettas.

    The problem is it's a social issue more than a technological one.

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    @HunterZ @neil Subscribeable blocklists are a technical issue, and I can state a number of good use cases for them.

    Abuse of a blocklist by it's creator (misleading subscribers about criteria, doing a bait-and-switch after getting a subscriber base) is completely separate, and yes _that's_ a social issue. Hence my concern for categorization and ratings, and ways to prevent those from being abused to give a list a false reputation.

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    • Todd KnarrT Todd Knarr

      @HunterZ @neil Subscribeable blocklists are a technical issue, and I can state a number of good use cases for them.

      Abuse of a blocklist by it's creator (misleading subscribers about criteria, doing a bait-and-switch after getting a subscriber base) is completely separate, and yes _that's_ a social issue. Hence my concern for categorization and ratings, and ways to prevent those from being abused to give a list a false reputation.

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      @HunterZ @neil Email RBLs and browser ad blockers are vulnerable to the same abuses. If we adopted your policy, both would be abandoned. Nobody's stupid enough to propose that, though.

      ... OK, Google is stupid enough to propose doing away with ad blockers, but look how well that idea was received.

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      • Todd KnarrT Todd Knarr

        @HunterZ @neil Subscribeable blocklists are a technical issue, and I can state a number of good use cases for them.

        Abuse of a blocklist by it's creator (misleading subscribers about criteria, doing a bait-and-switch after getting a subscriber base) is completely separate, and yes _that's_ a social issue. Hence my concern for categorization and ratings, and ways to prevent those from being abused to give a list a false reputation.

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        @tknarr @neil I'm saying that the implementation of them becomes overwhelmingly a social issue. It's already been tried and failed multiple times at the instance level because of abuse. All it takes is collusion among a group of bad actors to pump up ratings etc.

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        • Ben S.H Ben S.

          @tknarr @neil I'm saying that the implementation of them becomes overwhelmingly a social issue. It's already been tried and failed multiple times at the instance level because of abuse. All it takes is collusion among a group of bad actors to pump up ratings etc.

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          @HunterZ @neil Did I say anything about it being at the instance level? No, I did not.

          The use cases all involve decisions by individual users about which blocklists to subscribe to. It certainly _could_ be used by an instance admin, but we already give them that power by allowing instance-level blocking in the first place. The social issue there isn't subscribeable blocklilsts, it's having an instance admin you can't trust not to block people inappropriately by whatever mechanism.

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          • Neil BrownN Neil Brown

            It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

            Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

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            @neil remember when Mastodon asked for changes to be made to the interaction policies FEP specifically so they can opt out of implementing reply and boost control?
            i remember.

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            • Todd KnarrT Todd Knarr

              @neil I'm still looking at what's involved in creating subscribeable blocklists. The basic hook into the block functionality on the server is obvious enough, but the list itself involves learning everything about the ActivityPub protocol and the federation and syndication models. Making it useful involves having categorization and user ratings while preventing abuse of them too. Straightforward in concept, terminally hirsute in implementation.

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              @tknarr @neil btw. that visibility setting is doing something very non-obvious, namely it's always interpreted per-message, which makes the actual thread audience completely unpredictable.

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              • Signor Q. 🦩E Signor Q. 🦩

                @neil Can you in RL control who`s replying to words you said?

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                @electricfusionQ @neil this is real life too, mon.

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                • Neil BrownN Neil Brown

                  It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

                  Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

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                  @neil @mawhrin I saw it on Bluesky, and it seems to do the job.

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                  • Neil BrownN Neil Brown

                    It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

                    Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

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                    @neil ultimately, fedi's culture of men constantly centering themselves, reply-guying, being weird and condescending and creepy to women and fems, and so forth, is a social-cultural problem. and while better tools can help to shield us from the worst of it, you can't solve a social problem with technical solutions. in other words, it's the culture of misogyny that needs to change, or nothing will fundamentally change.

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                    • Neil BrownN Neil Brown

                      It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

                      Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

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                      #57

                      @neil Women. Black people. Jews...

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