We’re leaving X.
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We’re leaving X.
Not for clicks.
Not for politics.
For safety, democracy and basic responsibility.We won’t stay on a platform that fails children, enables deepfake abuse and fuels disinformation.
But this is not an exit from the conversation.
It’s a move to better spaces.Come with us.
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@greenpartyni great stuff. I hope over time you'll leave Meta products too, but it takes time. Most people aren't anywhere else, yet
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@d10c4n3 @noodlemaz @harri oh - I agree completely. If folks continue to use those platforms - I really do understand. Individuals (who need to be able to speak to granny, get up to date news feeds - however shitty etc). Makes total sense.
But please don’t say: this was a step too far and ask us to just suck that up. Surely the framing is: we have to use shitty billionaire media for reasons you all understand and we’ll prioritise non-shitty
@JimmyB @d10c4n3 @harri I agree there's an individual/org difference to consider.
And there are questions worth asking.
But if all people see when they quit platforms and come to new/better ones is 'Well it's too little too late' and various scoldings, all that's going to achieve, probably, is driving them away from engaging on said platform.So there's a balance to strike. Let's just maybe not immediately jump to the scolding bit when people start doing a bit of hard work - and it is hard, much as these things suck, it's harder for orgs that rely on donations to get away from the highly-trafficked places even though they are shit. Internal pressure works well, too, so people who are members can be doing that.
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@harri @noodlemaz sure - but they can frame it that way. Not - hey look: we don’t like paedophiles so we’re quitting X.
That’s just rubbish. After all - what’s the difference between X today and X pre-latest scandal? Or X and Bluesky, Threads, FB etc?
@JimmyB @harri and practically? Bluesky and Threads don't have an accessible AI that men are using to abuse and harass women and children multiple, many times daily, right now. That IS a material difference. You won't find me on bsky or threads, but to pretend they're exactly the same (for users/in terms of brand reputation impact etc.) is just unserious.
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@noodlemaz I’d also point out that the line from GPNI is effectively ‘X is now so bad we can’t stay’.
Really? It took the latest outrage? Really?
@JimmyB Yes this is a fair question (I'm working so I'm getting to replies all at once, apologies for the deluge)
But it's not one we need to throw at every person/org that's just quit the shit thing, finally - yes it's weird it's this late. But questioning that at them, loudly, the second they depart? Not convinced that's helpful for anything.
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@JimmyB Yes this is a fair question (I'm working so I'm getting to replies all at once, apologies for the deluge)
But it's not one we need to throw at every person/org that's just quit the shit thing, finally - yes it's weird it's this late. But questioning that at them, loudly, the second they depart? Not convinced that's helpful for anything.
@noodlemaz so I definitely don’t throw this at everyone - in fact I wonder if I’ve ever done it before?
And I put up a simple post - fairly mild. Was that really so bad? Because I think their post was shocking tbh…
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@JimmyB we’re a small political party. We have to use platforms to reach potential voters, even if we personally agree with your sentiments.
@greenpartyni excellent… I understand. Anyway - not much more for me to add to this thread.
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@JimmyB @harri and practically? Bluesky and Threads don't have an accessible AI that men are using to abuse and harass women and children multiple, many times daily, right now. That IS a material difference. You won't find me on bsky or threads, but to pretend they're exactly the same (for users/in terms of brand reputation impact etc.) is just unserious.
@harri @noodlemaz I’m not suggesting they are equal. But I’d argue strongly that morally they are equivalent. Tech bro, extreme right wing run. Both are closing Palestinian accounts right now for eg and censoring liberal voices. So morally identical if technically being shit in different ways.
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We’re leaving X.
Not for clicks.
Not for politics.
For safety, democracy and basic responsibility.We won’t stay on a platform that fails children, enables deepfake abuse and fuels disinformation.
But this is not an exit from the conversation.
It’s a move to better spaces.Come with us.
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@greenpartyni good decision
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@harri @noodlemaz I’m not suggesting they are equal. But I’d argue strongly that morally they are equivalent. Tech bro, extreme right wing run. Both are closing Palestinian accounts right now for eg and censoring liberal voices. So morally identical if technically being shit in different ways.
@JimmyB @harri @noodlemaz Zuckerberg has certainly done a lot of bad through his companies but I don't think he is as extreme right-wing as Musk. You didn't see him campaign for the fascist in the White House, run an illegal operation aimed at purging federal institutions inside the administration, shape policies like offering asylum to white South Africans or actively propping up AfD in Germany etc.
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@greenpartyni I don't suppose 'what took you so long' is appreciated as a reply
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@JimmyB @d10c4n3 @harri I agree there's an individual/org difference to consider.
And there are questions worth asking.
But if all people see when they quit platforms and come to new/better ones is 'Well it's too little too late' and various scoldings, all that's going to achieve, probably, is driving them away from engaging on said platform.So there's a balance to strike. Let's just maybe not immediately jump to the scolding bit when people start doing a bit of hard work - and it is hard, much as these things suck, it's harder for orgs that rely on donations to get away from the highly-trafficked places even though they are shit. Internal pressure works well, too, so people who are members can be doing that.
@noodlemaz @JimmyB @harri Ah, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to scold them. I don't know what happened to make them decide that X has crossed a threshold beyond which it's impossible for them to continue supporting that platform. Personally, that threshold has already been crossed, as with Meta, etc. That's why I say little and late. But I don't rely on donations and I won't place the blame on anyone. After all, even Graeber's or Fisher's books are on Amazon.
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@noodlemaz @JimmyB @harri Ah, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to scold them. I don't know what happened to make them decide that X has crossed a threshold beyond which it's impossible for them to continue supporting that platform. Personally, that threshold has already been crossed, as with Meta, etc. That's why I say little and late. But I don't rely on donations and I won't place the blame on anyone. After all, even Graeber's or Fisher's books are on Amazon.
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We’re leaving X.
Not for clicks.
Not for politics.
For safety, democracy and basic responsibility.We won’t stay on a platform that fails children, enables deepfake abuse and fuels disinformation.
But this is not an exit from the conversation.
It’s a move to better spaces.Come with us.
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@greenpartyni What took you so long?
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We’re leaving X.
Not for clicks.
Not for politics.
For safety, democracy and basic responsibility.We won’t stay on a platform that fails children, enables deepfake abuse and fuels disinformation.
But this is not an exit from the conversation.
It’s a move to better spaces.Come with us.
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@greenpartyni I'd say “welcome to Mastodon” but I see you've already met the welcoming committee!
I wish @plaidcymru would do this - they do have a profile here, but that dates back to November 2022 (when the Welsh Mastodon server was briefly in the media's eye here) and they haven't posted since a fortnight after they joined. Not even cross-posting from other platforms, which would cost them nothing, presumably.
But then @ZackPolanski is no better - and yes, I know he's not your leader!
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@noodlemaz @d10c4n3 @JimmyB behind every avatar is a person!
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@noodlemaz I’d also point out that the line from GPNI is effectively ‘X is now so bad we can’t stay’.
Really? It took the latest outrage? Really?
@JimmyB @noodlemaz don’t be so harsh. Yes we probably should have jumped some time ago as many of us wanted to. But we’re a small volunteer led democratic party with a lot of other things to attend to. And our local press were still there and potentially people who needed to hear our messaging. We’ve mostly been cross-posting with very little engagement so it was not a priority item until the latest outrage.
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We’re leaving X.
Not for clicks.
Not for politics.
For safety, democracy and basic responsibility.We won’t stay on a platform that fails children, enables deepfake abuse and fuels disinformation.
But this is not an exit from the conversation.
It’s a move to better spaces.Come with us.
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@greenpartyni Fight to have ban from your country, all European nations should do the same. This is not about infringing free speech, it's about dealing with a cancer that is destroying societies with misinformation and propaganda to suit the agenda of a tech billionaire.
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You can find us and continue the conversation here:
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I hope other GPs follow. Honestly embarrassing the number of times I’ve had this convo with members/candidates who insist it is better to stay and “balance it out”. Complete nonsense
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We’re leaving X.
Not for clicks.
Not for politics.
For safety, democracy and basic responsibility.We won’t stay on a platform that fails children, enables deepfake abuse and fuels disinformation.
But this is not an exit from the conversation.
It’s a move to better spaces.Come with us.
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@greenpartyni
Since I (and many others ) figured this one out years ago we are already here
So
Welcome, what took you so long !
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We’re leaving X.
Not for clicks.
Not for politics.
For safety, democracy and basic responsibility.We won’t stay on a platform that fails children, enables deepfake abuse and fuels disinformation.
But this is not an exit from the conversation.
It’s a move to better spaces.Come with us.
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@greenpartyni so musk performing the Nazi salute was not enough for you, you needed more?
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