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If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

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  • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

    If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

    #EvanPoll #poll

    Sergio LimaO This user is from outside of this forum
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    Sergio Lima
    wrote last edited by
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    @evan ToAlice, but visible to followers of both.
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    • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

      If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

      #EvanPoll #poll

      BodlingB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #217

      @evan Carol and Ted clearly need to be looped in

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      • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

        @maj Dawn's and my answer would be all of Alice's followers. I don't like the intersection answer, because it gets smaller and smaller over time. I think Alice's intent is to have her friends and family have a conversation, like it works on Instagram and Facebook.

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        Stefan Monnier
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        #218

        @evan @maj But Bob may want to reply something that he doesn't want to divulge to all of Alice's followers (he likely doesn't know them all) so he may want to explicitly shrink the set to the intersection

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        • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

          @jmcclure you're forgiven!

          The poll is not mandatory, so please feel free to spend your one wild and precious life doing something different.

          Jesse McClure :progress_pride:J This user is from outside of this forum
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          #219

          @evan

          Huh?

          I'm sorry I encroached on your poll without your invitation. I saw it, it looked interesting, so I submitted my vote and explained my "other" as requested.

          If you didn't want to hear people's thoughts, don't ask for them.

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          • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

            If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

            #EvanPoll #poll

            Pau AmmaP This user is from outside of this forum
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            #220

            @evan You asked "should", not "does", so my answer is "only people who follow *both* Alice and Bob", that is, the intersection of both sets of followers. (Your 3rd option, to me, reads like "people who follow *either*", that is, the union.)

            Whether Alice-only follower Carol (resp. Bob-only follower Dave) should gain access to Bob's reply by following Bob (resp. Alice) after Bob's reply is unclear to me.

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            • Evan ProdromouE This user is from outside of this forum
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              @TomAoki @maj third item is the union.

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              • Pau AmmaP Pau Amma

                @evan You asked "should", not "does", so my answer is "only people who follow *both* Alice and Bob", that is, the intersection of both sets of followers. (Your 3rd option, to me, reads like "people who follow *either*", that is, the union.)

                Whether Alice-only follower Carol (resp. Bob-only follower Dave) should gain access to Bob's reply by following Bob (resp. Alice) after Bob's reply is unclear to me.

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                #222

                @pauamma so, the audience for replies gets smaller and smaller as the conversation grows?

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                • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                  If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

                  #EvanPoll #poll

                  bjb :devuannew: :emacs:B This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @evan

                  Intersection of Alice and Bob's followers.

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                  • bjb :devuannew: :emacs:B bjb :devuannew: :emacs:

                    @evan

                    Intersection of Alice and Bob's followers.

                    Evan ProdromouE This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Evan Prodromou
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                    @bjb so a smaller and smaller audience as the conversation goes on? Eventually too small to keep the conversation up?

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                    • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                      @bjb so a smaller and smaller audience as the conversation goes on? Eventually too small to keep the conversation up?

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                      #225

                      @evan

                      Yep. If there are people that Bob's not interested in, Bob should not have to deal with them.

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                      • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                        If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

                        #EvanPoll #poll

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                        #226

                        @evan What about Ted and Carol's followers?

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                        • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                          If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

                          #EvanPoll #poll

                          Omar ZeyadaO This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @evan
                          Please help me, my friend, I desperately need you 🙏

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                          • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                            @pauamma so, the audience for replies gets smaller and smaller as the conversation grows?

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                            @evan Good question. I'd have to think about it more, but my hot take is "it depends a lot on context". (Consider for instance that Bob may be Alice's stalkery ex.)

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                            • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                              If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

                              #EvanPoll #poll

                              Evan ProdromouE This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Hey, all. So, I appreciate the responses. I'll break down the options here.

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                              • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                                Hey, all. So, I appreciate the responses. I'll break down the options here.

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                                #230

                                "Alice's followers" is the way most social networks work with private X, Facebook, Instagram. It lets Alice ask questions or share private info with people she trusts and cares about, and lets them discuss amongst themselves. It is really the best way to use social networks.

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                                • Stefan BohacekS Stefan Bohacek

                                  @evan Sure!

                                  Does this wording make sense?

                                  When you post a followers-only post, who do you expect replies from?

                                  My own followers (MOF)
                                  MOF + repliers' followers (RF)
                                  Mutual MOF + RF only
                                  Something else?

                                  (Trying to be concise!)

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                                  @evan Well I went ahead, if you're interested:

                                  https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/116035954117881295

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                                  • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                                    "Alice's followers" is the way most social networks work with private X, Facebook, Instagram. It lets Alice ask questions or share private info with people she trusts and cares about, and lets them discuss amongst themselves. It is really the best way to use social networks.

                                    Evan ProdromouE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    "Bob's followers" is the literalist version, with the worst possible dynamics. "You should reply to a followers-only post with a followers-only post" retains the same UI choice while completely changing the audience. Most of the other people who read Alice's post won't see Bob's comments. Bob's followers who don't follow Alice won't understand the context of his post, and won't be able to read Alice's post. It also violates Alice's privacy to share a response to her question with strangers.

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                                    • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                                      "Bob's followers" is the literalist version, with the worst possible dynamics. "You should reply to a followers-only post with a followers-only post" retains the same UI choice while completely changing the audience. Most of the other people who read Alice's post won't see Bob's comments. Bob's followers who don't follow Alice won't understand the context of his post, and won't be able to read Alice's post. It also violates Alice's privacy to share a response to her question with strangers.

                                      morph ✸M This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @evan That's it course. But is it also the case for Mastodon? I'd guess it is.

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                                      • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                                        "Bob's followers" is the literalist version, with the worst possible dynamics. "You should reply to a followers-only post with a followers-only post" retains the same UI choice while completely changing the audience. Most of the other people who read Alice's post won't see Bob's comments. Bob's followers who don't follow Alice won't understand the context of his post, and won't be able to read Alice's post. It also violates Alice's privacy to share a response to her question with strangers.

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                                        "Both" at least makes the full conversation visible to all A's followers, but it has most of the same problems as sharing with B's followers. It sends them a part of a conversation without context, but also violates A's privacy.

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                                        • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                                          If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

                                          #EvanPoll #poll

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                                          @evan @stefan
                                          This has always irked me. What I want and what I expect are different.
                                          I expect replies to *followers only* posts to be visible to the replier's followers, only. And yeah, that means they get a hint about me, and can't see my post, and therefore it's just all-around inappropriate.
                                          cont…

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