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  3. Below, Robert Kagen, says (to Carole Cadwalladr) something that confirms what many of us have been saying:

Below, Robert Kagen, says (to Carole Cadwalladr) something that confirms what many of us have been saying:

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  • Emeritus Prof Christopher MayC Emeritus Prof Christopher May

    Below, Robert Kagen, says (to Carole Cadwalladr) something that confirms what many of us have been saying:

    'it's just a faulty analysis to think that if you can flatter Trump enough & call him daddy, that means he'll leave you alone. As we see, he's not leaving anybody alone. It's really just – in fact, with him, it's an invitation to come back & demand something else & push you around. So you can't buy anything in that way'!

    Keir needs to listen!

    #politics #trump

    https://www.thenerve.news/p/robert-kagan-carole-cadwalladr-europe-wake-up-trump-dictatorship-russia-white-supremacy-keir-starmer

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    @ChrisMayLA6

    More casual Kagan: Appeasing and flattering "daddy" Trump just makes him want to fuck you even more.

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    • Pedro J. HdezE Pedro J. Hdez

      @ChrisMayLA6 Even more worrying to me is the fact that many people fail to understand: that the period since 1945 has been an exceptional moment in human history during which people's rights have at least been recognized and, in many countries, exercised. This could disappear again for many decades or even centuries.

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      @ecosdelfuturo

      Yes, the temporary character of the current liberal settlement (for some not all) is becoming very apparent... for other what they never had is disappearing from somewhere else

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      • GhostOnTheHalfShellG GhostOnTheHalfShell

        @ChrisMayLA6

        Trump is a totalitarian fascist asshole (I know it’s a little bit of overlap, but whatever).

        He’s no different than Putin. These people only respect power. The best way to go after Trump is to go after the billionaires who finance him and to pull the plug on laws that benefit big tech like the right to repair and the right to reverse engineer.

        Those rights by the way are integral to the concept of private property.. you know that sort of market/capitalism thing.

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        @GhostOnTheHalfShell

        I've often thought that the abolition of intellectual property laws which would have little negative impact on the general population would make a lot of very rich people very annoyed.

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        • Emeritus Prof Christopher MayC Emeritus Prof Christopher May

          @GhostOnTheHalfShell

          I've often thought that the abolition of intellectual property laws which would have little negative impact on the general population would make a lot of very rich people very annoyed.

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          @ChrisMayLA6 @GhostOnTheHalfShell

          The length of patents and copyrights certainly need to be shortened. The ability to obtain patents for only nominal improvements, if any, to existing patented products should be reduced or eliminated.

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          • CM ThiedeC CM Thiede

            @ChrisMayLA6 Mary Trump, Donald's own niece, warned everyone back in 2020.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_Much_and_Never_Enough

            Knowing that, armed with what Anu Bradford broke down for everyone in Digital Empires back in 2023, people still handed him the keys!

            https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/123993293-digital-empires

            Doesn't anyone read anymore?

            #books #libraries

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            @cmthiede @ChrisMayLA6 whole documentaries were made on the subject, then the trump organization threatened the filmmaker to suppress its release.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump:_What%27s_the_Deal%3F

            I mean if you just grew up in the 1980s, you already knew how bad trump was, without any deep dives into his history. He is open about it. This doc really demonstrates trump's mafia-style management, and how he uses underlings to buffer himself from criminality, throwing them under the bus.

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            • Emeritus Prof Christopher MayC Emeritus Prof Christopher May

              @GhostOnTheHalfShell

              I've often thought that the abolition of intellectual property laws which would have little negative impact on the general population would make a lot of very rich people very annoyed.

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              @ChrisMayLA6

              Cory Doctorow’s barnstormer speech about pulling the plug on right to repair and reverse engineer criminalization is an essential public policy, listening or reading, depending on if you can get the transcript.

              It’s a matter of national security for every nation. These laws that prevent the right to repair the reverse engineer destroy property rights.

              No one should tolerate it

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              • Emeritus Prof Christopher MayC Emeritus Prof Christopher May

                Below, Robert Kagen, says (to Carole Cadwalladr) something that confirms what many of us have been saying:

                'it's just a faulty analysis to think that if you can flatter Trump enough & call him daddy, that means he'll leave you alone. As we see, he's not leaving anybody alone. It's really just – in fact, with him, it's an invitation to come back & demand something else & push you around. So you can't buy anything in that way'!

                Keir needs to listen!

                #politics #trump

                https://www.thenerve.news/p/robert-kagan-carole-cadwalladr-europe-wake-up-trump-dictatorship-russia-white-supremacy-keir-starmer

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                @ChrisMayLA6 In fact, calling him daddy will only make him want you more 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

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                • RussianChineseDeepStateSockM RussianChineseDeepStateSock

                  @cmthiede @ChrisMayLA6 whole documentaries were made on the subject, then the trump organization threatened the filmmaker to suppress its release.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump:_What%27s_the_Deal%3F

                  I mean if you just grew up in the 1980s, you already knew how bad trump was, without any deep dives into his history. He is open about it. This doc really demonstrates trump's mafia-style management, and how he uses underlings to buffer himself from criminality, throwing them under the bus.

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                  @milkman76 @ChrisMayLA6 good thing I listened to my parents, "TV will rot your brain kid." Living in NYC in the 80s, one would know all one needs to know about him. Anyone else? They saw him flying around in his helicopter on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, and stepping into the ring of the WWE.

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                  • CM ThiedeC CM Thiede

                    @milkman76 @ChrisMayLA6 good thing I listened to my parents, "TV will rot your brain kid." Living in NYC in the 80s, one would know all one needs to know about him. Anyone else? They saw him flying around in his helicopter on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, and stepping into the ring of the WWE.

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                    @cmthiede @ChrisMayLA6 yeah lol I saw him on lifestyles of the rich and famous. My family watched that crap sometimes, and you could just see how disgusting he was.

                    Then he tried to assassinate those 5 innocent young black kids! He took out a NYTimes front page ad, condemning them as rapists and murderers when they were all innocent! They were exonerated later....

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                    • huntingdonH huntingdon

                      @ChrisMayLA6 @GhostOnTheHalfShell

                      The length of patents and copyrights certainly need to be shortened. The ability to obtain patents for only nominal improvements, if any, to existing patented products should be reduced or eliminated.

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                      @huntingdon @ChrisMayLA6

                      To get back to your point here: absolutely.

                      The original term is 17 years at least in the US has been distorted all out of proportion. Copyright two has been distorted all out of proportion.

                      In particular, I think software patterns should not be as long as 17 years.

                      But a chief impediment to property rights and to the kind of reverse engine engineering/Tinkering that is prevented by trade law now is an impediment to technological advancement

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                      • Emeritus Prof Christopher MayC Emeritus Prof Christopher May

                        Below, Robert Kagen, says (to Carole Cadwalladr) something that confirms what many of us have been saying:

                        'it's just a faulty analysis to think that if you can flatter Trump enough & call him daddy, that means he'll leave you alone. As we see, he's not leaving anybody alone. It's really just – in fact, with him, it's an invitation to come back & demand something else & push you around. So you can't buy anything in that way'!

                        Keir needs to listen!

                        #politics #trump

                        https://www.thenerve.news/p/robert-kagan-carole-cadwalladr-europe-wake-up-trump-dictatorship-russia-white-supremacy-keir-starmer

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                        @ChrisMayLA6 Authoritarians are actually provoked into attacking, when you ”try to give them what they want”

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                        • Emeritus Prof Christopher MayC Emeritus Prof Christopher May

                          Below, Robert Kagen, says (to Carole Cadwalladr) something that confirms what many of us have been saying:

                          'it's just a faulty analysis to think that if you can flatter Trump enough & call him daddy, that means he'll leave you alone. As we see, he's not leaving anybody alone. It's really just – in fact, with him, it's an invitation to come back & demand something else & push you around. So you can't buy anything in that way'!

                          Keir needs to listen!

                          #politics #trump

                          https://www.thenerve.news/p/robert-kagan-carole-cadwalladr-europe-wake-up-trump-dictatorship-russia-white-supremacy-keir-starmer

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                          @ChrisMayLA6 I'd love to watch a panel of historians talk through this. Especially, if this one in Wisconsin is invited. Bias seems to have no bounds.

                          https://cmthiede.vivaldi.net/2025/12/21/popular-programming/

                          #FolkifiedPoprageousness

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                          • Emeritus Prof Christopher MayC Emeritus Prof Christopher May

                            Below, Robert Kagen, says (to Carole Cadwalladr) something that confirms what many of us have been saying:

                            'it's just a faulty analysis to think that if you can flatter Trump enough & call him daddy, that means he'll leave you alone. As we see, he's not leaving anybody alone. It's really just – in fact, with him, it's an invitation to come back & demand something else & push you around. So you can't buy anything in that way'!

                            Keir needs to listen!

                            #politics #trump

                            https://www.thenerve.news/p/robert-kagan-carole-cadwalladr-europe-wake-up-trump-dictatorship-russia-white-supremacy-keir-starmer

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                            @ChrisMayLA6
                            Can someone please inform Mark Rutte (former #VVD now #NATO boss) of this insight? He's got his head so far up Frump's ass that it's starting to make me feel sick...

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                            • Emeritus Prof Christopher MayC Emeritus Prof Christopher May

                              @GhostOnTheHalfShell

                              I've often thought that the abolition of intellectual property laws which would have little negative impact on the general population would make a lot of very rich people very annoyed.

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                              @ChrisMayLA6
                              Have you read the work of @pluralistic on this? We may have a prefect opportunity to abolish the EU implementation of the #DCMA We could make it legal again to circumvent DRM. That would severely annoy some rich fucks and make the (digital) world a safer place. Win win!
                              @GhostOnTheHalfShell

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                              • Emeritus Prof Christopher MayC Emeritus Prof Christopher May

                                Below, Robert Kagen, says (to Carole Cadwalladr) something that confirms what many of us have been saying:

                                'it's just a faulty analysis to think that if you can flatter Trump enough & call him daddy, that means he'll leave you alone. As we see, he's not leaving anybody alone. It's really just – in fact, with him, it's an invitation to come back & demand something else & push you around. So you can't buy anything in that way'!

                                Keir needs to listen!

                                #politics #trump

                                https://www.thenerve.news/p/robert-kagan-carole-cadwalladr-europe-wake-up-trump-dictatorship-russia-white-supremacy-keir-starmer

                                Leander LindahlL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @ChrisMayLA6 "one of the things which most alarms me, because it's my special area of interest – is that the British government has undertaken massive deals with US tech companies. This came out of that state visit. It includes – two weeks ago, I think it was – Britain signing a £240m deal to put Palantir in the middle of our armed forces, our Ministry of Defence. It just seems like total madness to have a Trump ally literally in our defence infrastructure."
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                                  @ChrisMayLA6 "one of the things which most alarms me, because it's my special area of interest – is that the British government has undertaken massive deals with US tech companies. This came out of that state visit. It includes – two weeks ago, I think it was – Britain signing a £240m deal to put Palantir in the middle of our armed forces, our Ministry of Defence. It just seems like total madness to have a Trump ally literally in our defence infrastructure."
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                                  @ChrisMayLA6 isn't there also a deal for Open AI and the tech bros vacuuming up all health care data and public administration in general?

                                  To me that's so astonishing and my nightmare scenario for my own country (Sweden). It feels like the worst of all possible ways to take on this technological development. 2/2

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                                  • JarjantifaJ Jarjantifa

                                    @ChrisMayLA6
                                    Have you read the work of @pluralistic on this? We may have a prefect opportunity to abolish the EU implementation of the #DCMA We could make it legal again to circumvent DRM. That would severely annoy some rich fucks and make the (digital) world a safer place. Win win!
                                    @GhostOnTheHalfShell

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                                    @jarjan @pluralistic @GhostOnTheHalfShell

                                    Yes, I am familiar with the argument & completely agree with abandoning DRM... I've always been suspicious of it

                                    https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1097

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                                    • Leander LindahlL Leander Lindahl

                                      @ChrisMayLA6 isn't there also a deal for Open AI and the tech bros vacuuming up all health care data and public administration in general?

                                      To me that's so astonishing and my nightmare scenario for my own country (Sweden). It feels like the worst of all possible ways to take on this technological development. 2/2

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                                      @leanderlindahl

                                      Agreed; there seems to either be collusion or myopia at play; the open source alternative has been ready for (further) development for years, but few Govt.s seem to know about it or be interested in developing this alternative approach - sadly!

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                                        @leanderlindahl

                                        Agreed; there seems to either be collusion or myopia at play; the open source alternative has been ready for (further) development for years, but few Govt.s seem to know about it or be interested in developing this alternative approach - sadly!

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                                        @ChrisMayLA6 its a mix of
                                        – lack of knowledge/understanding in the political class
                                        – anxiety, rush to be "in" on the new stuff
                                        – skillfull lobbying, massive resources from techbros et Ali
                                        – caving to pressure from US, hoping to gain favour with US

                                        But its the worst of all possible ways to take on the new tech landscape

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                                        • Emeritus Prof Christopher MayC Emeritus Prof Christopher May

                                          Below, Robert Kagen, says (to Carole Cadwalladr) something that confirms what many of us have been saying:

                                          'it's just a faulty analysis to think that if you can flatter Trump enough & call him daddy, that means he'll leave you alone. As we see, he's not leaving anybody alone. It's really just – in fact, with him, it's an invitation to come back & demand something else & push you around. So you can't buy anything in that way'!

                                          Keir needs to listen!

                                          #politics #trump

                                          https://www.thenerve.news/p/robert-kagan-carole-cadwalladr-europe-wake-up-trump-dictatorship-russia-white-supremacy-keir-starmer

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                                          @ChrisMayLA6
                                          Yes, we need to listen:

                                          "So for Europeans, they need to stop waiting for the America that they know to come back, because it isn't.

                                          I think it's just vitally important that Europe now, to the best of its ability, comes together and really undertakes what would be a dramatic strategic revolution. Europe needs to become self-sufficient in both military and economic terms. It needs to start understanding that it is faced by aggressive powers on both flanks."

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