The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s.
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@RichRARobi @elasticsoul So, fighter jets clearly cannot be replaced by drones, but even F-16s and MiGs must keep away from the front lines in order to avoid being shot down themselves. This also limits the range of air-launched Ukrainian cruise missiles dramatically.
If we provided stealth fighter jets to Ukraine, they could avoid russian air defence without problems, potentially even flying into russian airspace. The US' strike on Iran was conducted entirely with stealth fighter jets and long-range stealth bombers and would not have been possible with conventional aircraft.
Ukraine needs that capability to destroy russian air bases; and Europe needs it to maintain its air superiority if russia attacks.
Fair point, I had a quick look on interweb, and nearest are possibly the Rafale, or Typhoon, there are some others. None are stealth, but have to note that with external ordnance, neither is f-35
It is probably the big bomber that is really stealth, and all we have is an ancient Lancaster !! They might just not shoot it down out of surprise!
Cruise missiles needed? Ukraine are clever, how about a locally grown cardboard stealth cruise missile?
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Fair point, I had a quick look on interweb, and nearest are possibly the Rafale, or Typhoon, there are some others. None are stealth, but have to note that with external ordnance, neither is f-35
It is probably the big bomber that is really stealth, and all we have is an ancient Lancaster !! They might just not shoot it down out of surprise!
Cruise missiles needed? Ukraine are clever, how about a locally grown cardboard stealth cruise missile?
@RichRARobi @elasticsoul I think the German TAURUS cruise missile is somewhat stealthy (not entirely sure). Though, for cruise missiles, flying low and adapting the flight path (like TAURUS does) may already be sufficient to avoid air defence
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The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s. Here's what Denmark said about the ones they bought, and regret buying:
"They're in for repairs about half the time or even more," he said, "so the Americans have all the power of actually destroying our air force just by shutting down [parts] supplies."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norad-canada-us-f35-9.7059800
@elasticsoul @dyckron well, let's get one or two so we can reverse engineer it and build a more competent version. The rest should be returned to sender.
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So, nothing in the article about how much one of these damn things costs.
I'm willing to bet you could make a lot of drones for the cost of one of these. Seems like Ukraine is currently showing the world what war looks like in the coming decades and a fleet of complex, expensive, high-maintenance airplanes ain't it.
Canada, don't listen to the US government. They're all liars. Shit-can this overpriced example of the last century's tech.
@troy_frizzell @elasticsoul Filling the border with a cloud of dual-role drones, that can be used as artificial bird-strikes loaded with jagged tungsten crusty-os, or air-to-ground mobile claymores can be done for a fraction of the cost of a hangar full of dead F-35s.
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The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s. Here's what Denmark said about the ones they bought, and regret buying:
"They're in for repairs about half the time or even more," he said, "so the Americans have all the power of actually destroying our air force just by shutting down [parts] supplies."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norad-canada-us-f35-9.7059800
@elasticsoul A usa kill switch doesn't have to be an actual switch in washington for it to work equally well. Canada needs to buy the Swedish Grippen and get rid of the usa Aegis fire control system for our new naval ships if we want to escape vassalage
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@elasticsoul We (Denmark) should have gone with Gripen.
We bought into F35 a long time ago, then we got the first batch, then we all got Trump. Then Denmark lost its mind and bought even more F35's. Our politicians are living in lala land.@johnrohde @elasticsoul I think for every Gripen fighter a flight of two or three fighter drones of the recent Ukraine variety controlled by each Gripen pilot would make for a formidable tactical opponent against any modern fighter.
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The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s. Here's what Denmark said about the ones they bought, and regret buying:
"They're in for repairs about half the time or even more," he said, "so the Americans have all the power of actually destroying our air force just by shutting down [parts] supplies."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norad-canada-us-f35-9.7059800
I'm against Canada supporting the US War Machine (other, friendlier countries have War Machines worthy of our tax money).
I do have to note that most military combat aircraft spend as much time in the hangar for maintenance as they do in the air on-mission. I should look that up ...
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@wbpeckham @elasticsoul I would still steer clear. All these aircraft need is a back door on the computer management systems and they could all be rendered completely useless by a keyboard in Kentucky
@peterbrown @elasticsoul yeah, but they already spelt the millions of dollars and they already have the aircraft. It doesn't make sense to just junk them. Better to turn your white hat, hackers on that software and ensure that if there's any back door you have an extra key to prevent it from opening.
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I'm against Canada supporting the US War Machine (other, friendlier countries have War Machines worthy of our tax money).
I do have to note that most military combat aircraft spend as much time in the hangar for maintenance as they do in the air on-mission. I should look that up ...
Availability is really bad for combat aircraft. Like, *really* bad. Worse, I gather for the F-35 because of all the whiz-bang stuff, but they are all bad.
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The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s. Here's what Denmark said about the ones they bought, and regret buying:
"They're in for repairs about half the time or even more," he said, "so the Americans have all the power of actually destroying our air force just by shutting down [parts] supplies."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norad-canada-us-f35-9.7059800
@elasticsoul I am not inclined to believe a single word that comes out of that ‘ambASSador’
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@RichRARobi @elasticsoul I think the German TAURUS cruise missile is somewhat stealthy (not entirely sure). Though, for cruise missiles, flying low and adapting the flight path (like TAURUS does) may already be sufficient to avoid air defence
Would it be possible to make a cheap (as in disposable) mothership, to get one or two of those a bit closer?
Are they too heavy to fit under a cessna or similar? Trundle trundle trundle whoosh!
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The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s. Here's what Denmark said about the ones they bought, and regret buying:
"They're in for repairs about half the time or even more," he said, "so the Americans have all the power of actually destroying our air force just by shutting down [parts] supplies."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norad-canada-us-f35-9.7059800
@elasticsoul Take the first batch which are coming off the production lines now, cancel the rest. Then go full-on with the Gripen.
This fulfills the NORAD commitment the nazi's are crying about.
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The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s. Here's what Denmark said about the ones they bought, and regret buying:
"They're in for repairs about half the time or even more," he said, "so the Americans have all the power of actually destroying our air force just by shutting down [parts] supplies."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norad-canada-us-f35-9.7059800
@elasticsoul Thanks to #DonaldTheDeplorable #Trump the #F35 deal with #Canada is about to become the #FAFO
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@elasticsoul @EricLawton Warning of “consequences to the defence pact” sounds exactly like gangster language. The US now only operates with threats and ‘preemptive’ strikes. Canada should think carefully about buying any equipment from a seller that can and will disable it at will.
@pedrobizbikedu @elasticsoul @EricLawton
Trust is more valuable than the dollar.
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The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s. Here's what Denmark said about the ones they bought, and regret buying:
"They're in for repairs about half the time or even more," he said, "so the Americans have all the power of actually destroying our air force just by shutting down [parts] supplies."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norad-canada-us-f35-9.7059800
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The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s. Here's what Denmark said about the ones they bought, and regret buying:
"They're in for repairs about half the time or even more," he said, "so the Americans have all the power of actually destroying our air force just by shutting down [parts] supplies."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norad-canada-us-f35-9.7059800
@elasticsoul A wild Gripen appears!
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The US is threatening #Canada (again) if we don't buy their F-35s. Here's what Denmark said about the ones they bought, and regret buying:
"They're in for repairs about half the time or even more," he said, "so the Americans have all the power of actually destroying our air force just by shutting down [parts] supplies."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norad-canada-us-f35-9.7059800
@elasticsoul oh... let's play this game:
"Because of the US tariffs, Canada has not enough money to buy F-35 Jets"
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@troy_frizzell @elasticsoul Filling the border with a cloud of dual-role drones, that can be used as artificial bird-strikes loaded with jagged tungsten crusty-os, or air-to-ground mobile claymores can be done for a fraction of the cost of a hangar full of dead F-35s.
@su_liam @elasticsoul @troy_frizzell
By my profoundly uninformed back of the napkin calculations, one should be able to scare up more than half million basic, disposable drones for the cost of one F35
I’m imagining the effect of lifting a cloud of a couple hundred of these into the flight path of a fighter jet, especially if they could be remotely detonated above the flight path to create a plume of shrapnel…
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@su_liam @elasticsoul @troy_frizzell
By my profoundly uninformed back of the napkin calculations, one should be able to scare up more than half million basic, disposable drones for the cost of one F35
I’m imagining the effect of lifting a cloud of a couple hundred of these into the flight path of a fighter jet, especially if they could be remotely detonated above the flight path to create a plume of shrapnel…
️@DavidM_yeg @su_liam @elasticsoul @troy_frizzell Yes. Ukraine defence against what was the second strongest army in the world (and now the second strongest in Russia) has completely changed the technology of war.
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@su_liam @elasticsoul @troy_frizzell
By my profoundly uninformed back of the napkin calculations, one should be able to scare up more than half million basic, disposable drones for the cost of one F35
I’m imagining the effect of lifting a cloud of a couple hundred of these into the flight path of a fighter jet, especially if they could be remotely detonated above the flight path to create a plume of shrapnel…
️@DavidM_yeg @elasticsoul @troy_frizzell That’s how I’m seeing it. The one limitation I’m seeing is altitude. Modern aircraft might be able to fly above the cloud of cheap drones. But what would high altitude drones cost? If they cost 10 times as much as those cheap ones, that’s still like 50,000 drones to shove down the intakes of an attacker. Let’s be more conservative and say 10,000. That’s not a border cloud, but used judiciously it’s an F35 killer.
