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  3. Kyle Rittenhouse walked up to police carrying an assault weapon during protests in Kenosha, then killed people, and Conservatives called him a hero.

Kyle Rittenhouse walked up to police carrying an assault weapon during protests in Kenosha, then killed people, and Conservatives called him a hero.

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  • Augie RayA Augie Ray

    Kyle Rittenhouse walked up to police carrying an assault weapon during protests in Kenosha, then killed people, and Conservatives called him a hero.

    Alex Pretti filmed officers during a protest, kept his handgun holstered, was wrestled to the ground, had his weapon taken away, and then was shot dead, and Conservatives are calling him a terrorist.

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    @augieray

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    • Augie RayA Augie Ray

      @grumble209 I didn't say there were 100,000 ICE agents. I understand the parentheticals might make it a bit difficult to read, so removed, what I said was, "Trump has flooded Minnesota, which has an estimated undocumented population of around 100,000, with thousands of masked, armed agents."

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      @augieray My mistake - sorry. My point stands, though: the ICE agents visiting Minnesota live somewhere, and are not self-sufficient. They are deadly to the locals, and we need to keep eyes on them.

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      • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

        @rpin42 @augieray THAT is something almost opposite my own beliefs-and my own experience. I believe that the more shit you take, the more shit you get. Appeasement and surrender are the road to slavery.

        Nazi Germany was defeated on the battlefield, I am convinced stopping them by any other means was impossible.

        To reject the right of people and nations threatened by Adolf Hitler to resist by armed force is to demand that they submit to the Holocaust. I believe nobody can ever be obligated to that.

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        @LukefromDC @augieray um going to quietly back out now. Big fan of non-violent direct-action and civil disobedience including general strikes, so I suppose if it were happening to me, I’d do my homework. It’s not me, yet, so I’ll focus on avoiding it. I feel for you in The States, it’s quite different where you are. Best of luck 🤞

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        • Augie RayA Augie Ray

          Kyle Rittenhouse walked up to police carrying an assault weapon during protests in Kenosha, then killed people, and Conservatives called him a hero.

          Alex Pretti filmed officers during a protest, kept his handgun holstered, was wrestled to the ground, had his weapon taken away, and then was shot dead, and Conservatives are calling him a terrorist.

          1/8

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          @augieray I really needed to read all of this today. Thank you for summarizing it so clearly.

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          • Augie RayA Augie Ray

            After all, this is the president who casually suggested a couple of weeks ago that “when you think of it, we shouldn't even have an election.” (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/five-takeaways-reuters-interview-president-trump-2026-01-15/#:~:text=%E2%80%9Cwhen%20you%20think%20of%20it%2C%20we%20shouldn%27t%20even%20have%20an%20election.%E2%80%9D)

            Legal experts continue to assert Trump doesn't have the power to stop the midterms (https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/17/politics/midterm-elections-trump-2026-analysis), but this is a president who claims unlimited power, has ignored court orders and rulings, and is protected by a biased Supreme Court.

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            Eric LawtonE This user is from outside of this forum
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            @augieray

            When cops write their own "administrative warrants" and don't enforce real judicial warrants if other cops say "go away", then a constitution is just a piece of paper.

            The United States no longer exists for its people when its government has been siezed by a criminal gang, headed by a felon, whose word is law.

            It no longer exists for other countries when it violates treaties and changes its position daily on the word of that same felon.

            It's now the Formerly United States of America. #FUSA

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            • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

              @lawyersgunsnmoney @augieray @darwinwoodka They didn't use enough rope after WWII.

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              @LukefromDC @lawyersgunsnmoney @augieray @darwinwoodka Or the Civil War. We should've hanged Jefferson Davis.

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              • Augie RayA Augie Ray

                Protests matter. Research has found that, "Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.” (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world) Yet, some of you can't be bothered to show up when protests and marches have occurred.

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                Energetic NovaE This user is from outside of this forum
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                @augieray

                Im autistic. Leave me alone.

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                • Energetic NovaE Energetic Nova

                  @augieray

                  Im autistic. Leave me alone.

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                  @augieray

                  Ps, blocking the road and damaging the library and bus stops makes me hate movements.

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                  • Energetic NovaE Energetic Nova

                    @augieray

                    Ps, blocking the road and damaging the library and bus stops makes me hate movements.

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                    @augieray

                    Making it to where I cant go home to take my meds wont make me stay at your protest but it will make me cause a scene that is embarrassing for me and you.

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                    • Energetic NovaE Energetic Nova

                      @augieray

                      Making it to where I cant go home to take my meds wont make me stay at your protest but it will make me cause a scene that is embarrassing for me and you.

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                      @augieray

                      You know that thing you hated the other day where you felt blamed by the whole world? Imagine posting “the silence of your friends” stuff with an autistic who goes silent reading it.
                      @roknrol

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                      • Energetic NovaE Energetic Nova

                        @augieray

                        You know that thing you hated the other day where you felt blamed by the whole world? Imagine posting “the silence of your friends” stuff with an autistic who goes silent reading it.
                        @roknrol

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                        @augieray @roknrol

                        Like imagine how I feel with “cant even be bothered to show up” if your protest is by design inaccessible.

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                        • Energetic NovaE Energetic Nova

                          @augieray @roknrol

                          Like imagine how I feel with “cant even be bothered to show up” if your protest is by design inaccessible.

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                          @augieray @roknrol

                          Like dude your protest blocked the road, was loud and had too many people. Of course I “couldn’t be bothered to show up” you fucked over the bus stop and you chose destroying my safe space as an action!

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                          • Energetic NovaE Energetic Nova

                            @augieray @roknrol

                            Like dude your protest blocked the road, was loud and had too many people. Of course I “couldn’t be bothered to show up” you fucked over the bus stop and you chose destroying my safe space as an action!

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                            @augieray @roknrol

                            I stopped showing up because there were too many people and too loud and too into destruction

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                            • Augie RayA Augie Ray

                              @rpin42 You're not wrong, but we need to be clear that the answer is "non-violent protests." The response from police and officials is on them, not on the protesters.

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                              @augieray @rpin42

                              Also, some of these books and studies on the effectiveness of nonviolence do NOT actually count property damage as violence, even though a lot of the people who DO consider that violence, like to cite such studies to bolster their arguments against, say, burning the 3rd Precinct. Which further complicates the debate.

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                              • Richard 🔶UK #RejoinEUR Richard 🔶UK #RejoinEU

                                @LukefromDC @augieray um going to quietly back out now. Big fan of non-violent direct-action and civil disobedience including general strikes, so I suppose if it were happening to me, I’d do my homework. It’s not me, yet, so I’ll focus on avoiding it. I feel for you in The States, it’s quite different where you are. Best of luck 🤞

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                                @rpin42 @LukefromDC @augieray

                                It's something everyone is going to have to give some very serious thought. Goons may not be directly on your personal doorstep yet, but they're coming for EVERYONE.

                                The entire planet is under attack. The very air you breathe, the water you drink, the food you eat, the value of your work and life and home no matter WHERE you live.

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                                • Violet MadderV Violet Madder

                                  @rpin42 @LukefromDC @augieray

                                  It's something everyone is going to have to give some very serious thought. Goons may not be directly on your personal doorstep yet, but they're coming for EVERYONE.

                                  The entire planet is under attack. The very air you breathe, the water you drink, the food you eat, the value of your work and life and home no matter WHERE you live.

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                                  @violetmadder @rpin42 @augieray The only possible answer is "Arrgh-let them come!"

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                                  • The Orange ThemeT The Orange Theme

                                    @LukefromDC @lawyersgunsnmoney @augieray @darwinwoodka Or the Civil War. We should've hanged Jefferson Davis.

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                                    @theorangetheme @lawyersgunsnmoney @augieray @darwinwoodka That would have been a great idea. Also handle the slaveowners the same way Haiti did

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                                    • Augie RayA Augie Ray

                                      @starlily I'm not the one fighting, "Chief." In a world where people can pick fights with MAGAts and conservatives, it pisses me off when people want to pick fights with people with whom they agree because they think they got one point of their argument incorrect.

                                      Seriously, train your fire on the people destroying democracy. Not the people you disagree with when they say 3.5% of the populace protesting can make a difference.

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                                      @augieray If you’ll consider a piece of unsolicited advice from a complete stranger, it does seem from here like you were gratuitously, needlessly antagonistic to people who share your values and goals, and disagree with you (if at all) only on relatively minor points.

                                      When I’ve done stuff like this – and trust me, I have – on some level I knew I’d screwed up, and nothing made me feel better until I’d reached out to the folks I’d insulted and apologized to them.

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                                      • Augie RayA Augie Ray

                                        Kyle Rittenhouse walked up to police carrying an assault weapon during protests in Kenosha, then killed people, and Conservatives called him a hero.

                                        Alex Pretti filmed officers during a protest, kept his handgun holstered, was wrestled to the ground, had his weapon taken away, and then was shot dead, and Conservatives are calling him a terrorist.

                                        1/8

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                                        @augieray Nothing has changed. Conservatism in this country at least, has always been about enforcing law upon others while enjoying freedom from enforcement from those same laws.

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                                        • Lily StarS Lily Star

                                          @augieray I could have guessed Augie would block me. He seemed like the type that would brook no discussion on his pronouncements.

                                          No loss for me. Like I said, I feel when you post in public, you should listen to arguments made in good faith. Otherwise you are just another talking point parrot.

                                          I understand everyones pissed and raw right now, but fighting each other is what they want. Dont give in like Augie.

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                                          @starlily He's such an ass

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