This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

@tante @pluralistic

More truth...

'Decades of collective work proving that “open source” is not less but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowly going down the drain. Because a bunch of men – and it is always all men – just don’t want to be responsible for their actions. Which is fine if you are 5. But after 18 it gets old really fucking fast.'

@tante FYI, the podcaster you want to mention is “Lex Fridman”, not “Lex Friedman”, aka @lexfri, who is certainly not right-wing

Here’s a song about it, too: https://lexfriedman.com/friedman

@agowa338 @tante fast fashion usually succeeds in covering your arse, though

@yatil @lexfri I fixed the name, thanks for the hint.

My characterization of his Oeuvre will stay though. He gives so much space to right wing talking points that he's indistinguishable from a right wing spokesperson.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

@davidgerard @agowa338 not for very long though

@bens @tante @huwr bluntly, he needs to hang around less techfash then and show more awareness of his surroundings. nothing tante said is the least bit unfair.

@tante @lexfri Oh, Fr_i_dman’s characterization is spot on. Fuck that guy

@yatil @lexfri I misread your comment, sorry
Glad we can agree that Fridman can fuck himself.

@tante «“having some code and an open license” is not a sufficient set of requirements for building a sustainable, resilient digital landscape for everyone.» yeah, I've been thinking about that recently too for a conference submission (in case it's of interest): https://tzovar.as/open-science-beyond-licenses/

@tante @joe @madcoder Carl Brown (https://www.internetofbugs.com/) recently posted a short video on this which is worth your time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3okhTwa7w4

@tante I meant if the software they operate harms someone else (e.g., https://mastodon.online/@larsmb/116064412531364691).

I doubt "sorry your honor, I didn't care enough" is going to fly.

I could care less if they harm themselves. (I have some sympathy for many being drawn into the hype and being gullible victims themselves, but, uh, not very much.)

@tante as a maintainer and someone doing a lot around this topic (foss as digital infra) I have complex feelings about the rhetoric you use here.

I agree wholly on the AI guys. And also I am really really wary of what that exact discourse will do to our digital infra. Because I don't see how it can end other than pain. I want it to end positively but... I can't see it happening

@stefan_hessbrueggen @tante People will be quick to make it about "guardrails" or "alignment" or some other shit.

But the core of the matter is: Somebody *human* deployed this bot, either not thinking or (worse!) not *caring* about the ramifications of autocomplete unleashed.

The human condition these days is disgusting.

@tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen

This is absolutely insane that we are having to respond to and explain our positions on things to *fucking chat bots* as if they were actual sentient humans. What in the ever loving fuck are we doing?

@agowa338 @tante
A point that wasn't made clear by the OP (and which then had to be explained in replies downthread, more than once):
Everyone *did* leave, and the colleague asked the question in chat while waiting outside.

link:
https://mastodon.online/@tagir_valeev/116057956344847721