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  3. This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

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  • peterfrP peterfr

    @tante 🙏

    fyi - typo/german in “on the other faschist social network”. should be “fascist”

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    #38

    @tante i am never sure if i actually like notifying authors about errors.

    because these tiny little human errors assure that the author concentrated on getting a message out, not "a text".

    it's what makes them the "true" blog posts.

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    • peterfrP peterfr

      @tante i am never sure if i actually like notifying authors about errors.

      because these tiny little human errors assure that the author concentrated on getting a message out, not "a text".

      it's what makes them the "true" blog posts.

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      tante
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      @peterfr I appreciate it!

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      • tanteT tante

        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

        https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

        Kyle Memoir 🍉🐧F This user is from outside of this forum
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        @tante @pluralistic

        More truth...

        'Decades of collective work proving that “open source” is not less but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowly going down the drain. Because a bunch of men – and it is always all men – just don’t want to be responsible for their actions. Which is fine if you are 5. But after 18 it gets old really fucking fast.'

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        • tanteT tante

          This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

          https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

          Eric EggertY This user is from outside of this forum
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          #41

          @tante FYI, the podcaster you want to mention is “Lex Fridman”, not “Lex Friedman”, aka @lexfri, who is certainly not right-wing 🙂

          Here’s a song about it, too: https://lexfriedman.com/friedman

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          • Klaus FrankA Klaus Frank

            @tante
            Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.

            What do you think?

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            #42

            @agowa338 @tante fast fashion usually succeeds in covering your arse, though

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            • Eric EggertY Eric Eggert

              @tante FYI, the podcaster you want to mention is “Lex Fridman”, not “Lex Friedman”, aka @lexfri, who is certainly not right-wing 🙂

              Here’s a song about it, too: https://lexfriedman.com/friedman

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              #43

              @yatil @lexfri I fixed the name, thanks for the hint.

              My characterization of his Oeuvre will stay though. He gives so much space to right wing talking points that he's indistinguishable from a right wing spokesperson.

              If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

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              • David GerardD David Gerard

                @agowa338 @tante fast fashion usually succeeds in covering your arse, though

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                tante
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                @davidgerard @agowa338 not for very long though

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                • Ben ScheirmanB Ben Scheirman

                  @tante @huwr there are a lot of good points and criticisms here, but Peter is not the “tech bro wannabe Elon” you say he is. He’s actually a caring thoughtful human who will probably be really hurt by these words.

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                  @bens @tante @huwr bluntly, he needs to hang around less techfash then and show more awareness of his surroundings. nothing tante said is the least bit unfair.

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                  • tanteT tante

                    @yatil @lexfri I fixed the name, thanks for the hint.

                    My characterization of his Oeuvre will stay though. He gives so much space to right wing talking points that he's indistinguishable from a right wing spokesperson.

                    If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

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                    @tante @lexfri Oh, Fr_i_dman’s characterization is spot on. 🙂 Fuck that guy

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                    • Eric EggertY Eric Eggert

                      @tante @lexfri Oh, Fr_i_dman’s characterization is spot on. 🙂 Fuck that guy

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                      tante
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                      #47

                      @yatil @lexfri I misread your comment, sorry 😉
                      Glad we can agree that Fridman can fuck himself.

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                      • tanteT tante

                        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                        https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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                        @tante «“having some code and an open license” is not a sufficient set of requirements for building a sustainable, resilient digital landscape for everyone.» yeah, I've been thinking about that recently too for a conference submission (in case it's of interest): https://tzovar.as/open-science-beyond-licenses/

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                        • Pierre H.M Pierre H.

                          @tante @joe I mean we were just getting rid of memory unsafety — kinda — and we invented a better idiot.

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                          @tante @joe @madcoder Carl Brown (https://www.internetofbugs.com/) recently posted a short video on this which is worth your time:

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3okhTwa7w4

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                          • tanteT tante

                            @larsmb from what I see mostly the * with the tiny "you have to check everything" note in tiny font hidden somewhere in invisible ink is considered enough even by law. Which is a mistake.

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                            @tante I meant if the software they operate harms someone else (e.g., https://mastodon.online/@larsmb/116064412531364691).

                            I doubt "sorry your honor, I didn't care enough" is going to fly.

                            I could care less if they harm themselves. (I have some sympathy for many being drawn into the hype and being gullible victims themselves, but, uh, not very much.)

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                            • tanteT tante

                              This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                              https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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                              @tante as a maintainer and someone doing a lot around this topic (foss as digital infra) I have complex feelings about the rhetoric you use here.

                              I agree wholly on the AI guys. And also I am really really wary of what that exact discourse will do to our digital infra. Because I don't see how it can end other than pain. I want it to end positively but... I can't see it happening

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                              • @frueheneuzeitS @frueheneuzeit

                                RE: https://infosec.exchange/@mttaggart/116065340523529645

                                @tante did you see this? https://fedihum.org/@mttaggart@infosec.exchange/116065340521141516

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                                @stefan_hessbrueggen @tante People will be quick to make it about "guardrails" or "alignment" or some other shit.

                                But the core of the matter is: Somebody *human* deployed this bot, either not thinking or (worse!) not *caring* about the ramifications of autocomplete unleashed.

                                The human condition these days is disgusting.

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                                • tanteT tante

                                  @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen This is fucking wild.

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                                  @tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen

                                  This is absolutely insane that we are having to respond to and explain our positions on things to *fucking chat bots* as if they were actual sentient humans. What in the ever loving fuck are we doing?

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                                  • Klaus FrankA Klaus Frank

                                    @tante
                                    Oh, ok kinda liked that summary a bit more 🙂

                                    Also regarding rejection of responsibility and care, I wonder how much longer that'll still be possible.
                                    Esp. when things like the person asking in the company chat about the fire alarm being real got told by the chatbot it wasn't and that she doesn't have to leave get more widespread. Did you see that one?

                                    https://mastodon.online/@tagir_valeev/116057271527521893

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                                    @agowa338 @tante
                                    A point that wasn't made clear by the OP (and which then had to be explained in replies downthread, more than once):
                                    Everyone *did* leave, and the colleague asked the question in chat while waiting outside.

                                    link:
                                    https://mastodon.online/@tagir_valeev/116057956344847721

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