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  3. This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

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  • tanteT tante

    This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

    https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

    FalkD This user is from outside of this forum
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    @tante "handing out running chainsaws to kids" that's exactly their way of responsibility.

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    • tanteT tante

      This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

      https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

      peterfrP This user is from outside of this forum
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      @tante 🙏

      fyi - typo/german in “on the other faschist social network”. should be “fascist”

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      • NfoonfN Nfoonf

        @tante i hope they make a dev meeting soon

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        @Nfoonf @tante
        the bots could rent some humans to go to the dev meeting
        https://rentahuman.ai/

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        • P B O

          @tante very well said. His thirst for nazi-bar fame is apparent.

          You didn’t even touch on the uselessness of the project: none of these incel-adjacent techbros need a (digital or not) assistant in their lives; they just want to feel important. Message “something” in their WhatsApp/telegram (not irc, jabber or matrix) instead of just opening their calendar app

          GunChleocG This user is from outside of this forum
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          @piyuv @tante Since they can't have a sexy female secretary doing these things for them, an AI will have to do.

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          • tanteT tante

            This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

            https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

            Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷L This user is from outside of this forum
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            Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷
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            @tante Somewhat. Though I do believe that people could actually be held legally responsible for what the agents they operate do.

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            • Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷L Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷

              @tante Somewhat. Though I do believe that people could actually be held legally responsible for what the agents they operate do.

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              #34

              @larsmb from what I see mostly the * with the tiny "you have to check everything" note in tiny font hidden somewhere in invisible ink is considered enough even by law. Which is a mistake.

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              • Demiguise 🇮🇱D Demiguise 🇮🇱

                @tante "but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowing going down the drain."

                Shouldn't it be "slowly going down"?

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                @demiguise thanks fixed

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                • tanteT tante

                  This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                  https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

                  Chris PittsT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @tante @algernon 🎯

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                  • tanteT tante

                    This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                    https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

                    Dawn AhukannaD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @tante the very manifestation of the book the writer cannot promote for legal reasons called “Careless people”- https://mastodon.social/users/dahukanna/statuses/115909518246104074

                    #techConsequencesInRealWorld

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                    • peterfrP peterfr

                      @tante 🙏

                      fyi - typo/german in “on the other faschist social network”. should be “fascist”

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                      @tante i am never sure if i actually like notifying authors about errors.

                      because these tiny little human errors assure that the author concentrated on getting a message out, not "a text".

                      it's what makes them the "true" blog posts.

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                      • peterfrP peterfr

                        @tante i am never sure if i actually like notifying authors about errors.

                        because these tiny little human errors assure that the author concentrated on getting a message out, not "a text".

                        it's what makes them the "true" blog posts.

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                        @peterfr I appreciate it!

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                        • tanteT tante

                          This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                          https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

                          Kyle Memoir 🍉🐧F This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @tante @pluralistic

                          More truth...

                          'Decades of collective work proving that “open source” is not less but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowly going down the drain. Because a bunch of men – and it is always all men – just don’t want to be responsible for their actions. Which is fine if you are 5. But after 18 it gets old really fucking fast.'

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                          • tanteT tante

                            This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                            https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

                            Eric EggertY This user is from outside of this forum
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                            Eric Eggert
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                            @tante FYI, the podcaster you want to mention is “Lex Fridman”, not “Lex Friedman”, aka @lexfri, who is certainly not right-wing 🙂

                            Here’s a song about it, too: https://lexfriedman.com/friedman

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                            • Klaus FrankA Klaus Frank

                              @tante
                              Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.

                              What do you think?

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                              @agowa338 @tante fast fashion usually succeeds in covering your arse, though

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                              • Eric EggertY Eric Eggert

                                @tante FYI, the podcaster you want to mention is “Lex Fridman”, not “Lex Friedman”, aka @lexfri, who is certainly not right-wing 🙂

                                Here’s a song about it, too: https://lexfriedman.com/friedman

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                                @yatil @lexfri I fixed the name, thanks for the hint.

                                My characterization of his Oeuvre will stay though. He gives so much space to right wing talking points that he's indistinguishable from a right wing spokesperson.

                                If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

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                                • David GerardD David Gerard

                                  @agowa338 @tante fast fashion usually succeeds in covering your arse, though

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                                  @davidgerard @agowa338 not for very long though

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                                  • Ben ScheirmanB Ben Scheirman

                                    @tante @huwr there are a lot of good points and criticisms here, but Peter is not the “tech bro wannabe Elon” you say he is. He’s actually a caring thoughtful human who will probably be really hurt by these words.

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                                    @bens @tante @huwr bluntly, he needs to hang around less techfash then and show more awareness of his surroundings. nothing tante said is the least bit unfair.

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                                    • tanteT tante

                                      @yatil @lexfri I fixed the name, thanks for the hint.

                                      My characterization of his Oeuvre will stay though. He gives so much space to right wing talking points that he's indistinguishable from a right wing spokesperson.

                                      If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

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                                      @tante @lexfri Oh, Fr_i_dman’s characterization is spot on. 🙂 Fuck that guy

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                                      • Eric EggertY Eric Eggert

                                        @tante @lexfri Oh, Fr_i_dman’s characterization is spot on. 🙂 Fuck that guy

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                                        tante
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                                        @yatil @lexfri I misread your comment, sorry 😉
                                        Glad we can agree that Fridman can fuck himself.

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                                        • tanteT tante

                                          This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

                                          https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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                                          @tante «“having some code and an open license” is not a sufficient set of requirements for building a sustainable, resilient digital landscape for everyone.» yeah, I've been thinking about that recently too for a conference submission (in case it's of interest): https://tzovar.as/open-science-beyond-licenses/

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