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I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

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  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

    Finnish universities 1996:

    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

    Finnish universities 2026:

    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

    Learned helplessness.

    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

    VladimirC This user is from outside of this forum
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    @anttipeltola Microsoft DreamsPark/Azure Tools for Teaching.

    Let's put it this way: for past 15 years, life science graduates with pretty advanced degrees can't do a non-linear regression unless there is a specific 1000 EUR per year per user software package provided.

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    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

      Finnish universities 1996:

      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

      Finnish universities 2026:

      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

      Learned helplessness.

      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

      tuban_muzuruT This user is from outside of this forum
      tuban_muzuruT This user is from outside of this forum
      tuban_muzuru
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      #20

      @anttipeltola

      Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

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      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

        Finnish universities 1996:

        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

        Finnish universities 2026:

        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

        Learned helplessness.

        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

        FoolishOwlF This user is from outside of this forum
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        FoolishOwl
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        #21

        @anttipeltola When I've read histories of computers and programming, I was surprised how often Finnish universities were mentioned.

        This also sounds like what's happened with universities in the US. In the 90s, a lot of significant software was developed and supported by universities and government-funded research organizations. But universities ended up outsourcing their IT.

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        • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

          I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

          Finnish universities 1996:

          "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

          Finnish universities 2026:

          "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

          Learned helplessness.

          #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

          ΓιανίρηςI This user is from outside of this forum
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          Γιανίρης
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          #22

          #Finland B 4 NATO and Finland after

          Linux before Trovalds became a millionaire and after ... he moved to FB-land

          @anttipeltola

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          • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

            @anttipeltola

            Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

            Juho MäntysaloI This user is from outside of this forum
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            @tuban_muzuru @anttipeltola

            Well, one less social interaction for the customer, and less need for a dedicated cashier.

            By local standards, this counts as a win-win.

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            • HannuF Hannu

              @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

              Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
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              @FknHannu

              Yup. Over 500 boosts now. That's "going viral" for me.

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              • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                The age-old Silicon Valley trick of freeloading on others' free labour and making huge profits out of enshittification while calling themselves "innovators".

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                Alex
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                @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

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                • AlexM Alex

                  @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

                  Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Antti Peltola ⁂
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                  @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                  Yes, this could be a reasonable anarchist solution for taking down the system without firing a shot.

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                  • Petri SalmelaP This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                    (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                      Finnish universities 1996:

                      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                      Finnish universities 2026:

                      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                      Learned helplessness.

                      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                      TommiT This user is from outside of this forum
                      TommiT This user is from outside of this forum
                      Tommi
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                      @anttipeltola found it!

                      https://jontka.fi/@tommi/116011921642382637

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                      • Petri SalmelaP Petri Salmela

                        @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                        (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                        @anttipeltola @openfactory @pesasa wasn't ssh deveped while Ylönen was researcher at Helsinki University of Technology?

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                        • Kähisijäahon Pää-ÄljyP Kähisijäahon Pää-Äljy

                          @anttipeltola @openfactory @pesasa wasn't ssh deveped while Ylönen was researcher at Helsinki University of Technology?

                          Petri SalmelaP This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @anttipeltola @openfactory @poppis Yes exactly. My mistake.

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                          • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                            I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                            Finnish universities 1996:

                            "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                            Finnish universities 2026:

                            "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                            Learned helplessness.

                            #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                            WorldTravelerAll7W This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @anttipeltola

                            I would think if any country could do it, Finland could

                            Finland already has the best open instance of #Friendica in English

                            govts could do like France & make all employees be off certain platforms that collect data

                            they could even subsidize an instance of an opensource friend app for citizens

                            reaching out individually to get a friend to switch platforms rarely works. We could set up a #meta mass exodus day

                            people will go where their friends & people go

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                            • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                              I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                              Finnish universities 1996:

                              "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                              Finnish universities 2026:

                              "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                              Learned helplessness.

                              #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                              Account: PoliticsU This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Account: Politics
                              wrote last edited by
                              #32
                              @anttipeltola But there's no connection between that and getting hoodwinked into NATO because the population is this dumb.
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                              • Petri SalmelaP Petri Salmela

                                @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                                (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                                @pesasa @anttipeltola

                                and another challenging thing is that if we look at our own community, even the citysec' are all moving towards slack/gmail/discord instead of running our own. At least @turkusec is on mastodon - dunno about any other here.

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                                • BfPVDFUeO BfPVDFUe

                                  @pesasa @anttipeltola

                                  and another challenging thing is that if we look at our own community, even the citysec' are all moving towards slack/gmail/discord instead of running our own. At least @turkusec is on mastodon - dunno about any other here.

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                                  #34

                                  @openfactory @pesasa @anttipeltola Indeed! It's a bit of a shame - the lower rate of adoption. Hopefully, there will be more people/organizations joining the fediverse

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                                  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                    Finnish universities 1996:

                                    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                    Finnish universities 2026:

                                    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                    Learned helplessness.

                                    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                    Tero Hänninen0 This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Tero Hänninen
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                                    @anttipeltola the early 90s Internet in the NORDUnet space was so excellent. Plenty of great things coming out of universities during that time. Visiting some of these places now, they’re all rumning on either Google or O365 and American social media. IT departments don’t work with the faculties anymore. Etc etc

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                                    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                      Finnish universities 1996:

                                      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                      Finnish universities 2026:

                                      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                      Learned helplessness.

                                      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                      That monocatM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      That monocat
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                                      #36

                                      @anttipeltola
                                      I was thinking the other day that a step to securing an open internet would be for a collaborative state organisation such as the European Union to organise and fund an explicitly non-political org for the creation and management of an open standards browser (with plugins framework)

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                                      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                        Finnish universities 1996:

                                        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                        Finnish universities 2026:

                                        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                        Learned helplessness.

                                        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                                        @anttipeltola Meanwhile a certain Finnish student:

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                                          @StryderNotavi @funambolo @anttipeltola oh yes. running on cloud, vendors are also less incentivized to write efficient code. if they spend a million on aws anyways, they won’t mind a 200k software license on top of that. You’ll have a harder time selling the same solution if your software runs just fine on just 2 servers from 5 years ago.

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