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  3. If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

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  • Evan ProdromouE This user is from outside of this forum
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    @TomAoki @maj third item is the union.

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    • Pau AmmaP Pau Amma

      @evan You asked "should", not "does", so my answer is "only people who follow *both* Alice and Bob", that is, the intersection of both sets of followers. (Your 3rd option, to me, reads like "people who follow *either*", that is, the union.)

      Whether Alice-only follower Carol (resp. Bob-only follower Dave) should gain access to Bob's reply by following Bob (resp. Alice) after Bob's reply is unclear to me.

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      @pauamma so, the audience for replies gets smaller and smaller as the conversation grows?

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      • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

        If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

        #EvanPoll #poll

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        @evan

        Intersection of Alice and Bob's followers.

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        • bjb :devuannew: :emacs:B bjb :devuannew: :emacs:

          @evan

          Intersection of Alice and Bob's followers.

          Evan ProdromouE This user is from outside of this forum
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          @bjb so a smaller and smaller audience as the conversation goes on? Eventually too small to keep the conversation up?

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          • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

            @bjb so a smaller and smaller audience as the conversation goes on? Eventually too small to keep the conversation up?

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            @evan

            Yep. If there are people that Bob's not interested in, Bob should not have to deal with them.

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            • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

              If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

              #EvanPoll #poll

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              @evan What about Ted and Carol's followers?

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              • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

                #EvanPoll #poll

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                @evan
                Please help me, my friend, I desperately need you 🙏

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                • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                  @pauamma so, the audience for replies gets smaller and smaller as the conversation grows?

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                  @evan Good question. I'd have to think about it more, but my hot take is "it depends a lot on context". (Consider for instance that Bob may be Alice's stalkery ex.)

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                  • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                    If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

                    #EvanPoll #poll

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                    #229

                    Hey, all. So, I appreciate the responses. I'll break down the options here.

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                    • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                      Hey, all. So, I appreciate the responses. I'll break down the options here.

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                      #230

                      "Alice's followers" is the way most social networks work with private X, Facebook, Instagram. It lets Alice ask questions or share private info with people she trusts and cares about, and lets them discuss amongst themselves. It is really the best way to use social networks.

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                      • Stefan BohacekS Stefan Bohacek

                        @evan Sure!

                        Does this wording make sense?

                        When you post a followers-only post, who do you expect replies from?

                        My own followers (MOF)
                        MOF + repliers' followers (RF)
                        Mutual MOF + RF only
                        Something else?

                        (Trying to be concise!)

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                        @evan Well I went ahead, if you're interested:

                        https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/116035954117881295

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                        • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                          "Alice's followers" is the way most social networks work with private X, Facebook, Instagram. It lets Alice ask questions or share private info with people she trusts and cares about, and lets them discuss amongst themselves. It is really the best way to use social networks.

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                          "Bob's followers" is the literalist version, with the worst possible dynamics. "You should reply to a followers-only post with a followers-only post" retains the same UI choice while completely changing the audience. Most of the other people who read Alice's post won't see Bob's comments. Bob's followers who don't follow Alice won't understand the context of his post, and won't be able to read Alice's post. It also violates Alice's privacy to share a response to her question with strangers.

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                          • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                            "Bob's followers" is the literalist version, with the worst possible dynamics. "You should reply to a followers-only post with a followers-only post" retains the same UI choice while completely changing the audience. Most of the other people who read Alice's post won't see Bob's comments. Bob's followers who don't follow Alice won't understand the context of his post, and won't be able to read Alice's post. It also violates Alice's privacy to share a response to her question with strangers.

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                            @evan That's it course. But is it also the case for Mastodon? I'd guess it is.

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                            • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                              "Bob's followers" is the literalist version, with the worst possible dynamics. "You should reply to a followers-only post with a followers-only post" retains the same UI choice while completely changing the audience. Most of the other people who read Alice's post won't see Bob's comments. Bob's followers who don't follow Alice won't understand the context of his post, and won't be able to read Alice's post. It also violates Alice's privacy to share a response to her question with strangers.

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                              "Both" at least makes the full conversation visible to all A's followers, but it has most of the same problems as sharing with B's followers. It sends them a part of a conversation without context, but also violates A's privacy.

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                              • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                                If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?

                                #EvanPoll #poll

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                                @evan @stefan
                                This has always irked me. What I want and what I expect are different.
                                I expect replies to *followers only* posts to be visible to the replier's followers, only. And yeah, that means they get a hint about me, and can't see my post, and therefore it's just all-around inappropriate.
                                cont…

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                                • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                                  "Both" at least makes the full conversation visible to all A's followers, but it has most of the same problems as sharing with B's followers. It sends them a part of a conversation without context, but also violates A's privacy.

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                                  #236

                                  For "Other", a lot of people replied with "the intersection of A's followers and B's followers". This makes replies to replies to replies less and less visible to participants, until practically no one can see what's being said. It's terrible for conversations.

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                                  • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

                                    For "Other", a lot of people replied with "the intersection of A's followers and B's followers". This makes replies to replies to replies less and less visible to participants, until practically no one can see what's being said. It's terrible for conversations.

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                                    Some repliers insisted that it should be whatever Bob wants, which is trivial. It sidesteps the issue and doesn't address the question at its own level.

                                    I asked, what should be the outcome? Not, who should decide?

                                    What options should Bob have to choose from? What should be the default? What should he choose?

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