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  • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

    New FCC filing by SpaceX for constellation of million data center satellites for AI apps.

    # of sats: up to 1 million!
    Orbit: 500 km and 2,000 km altitude and 30°inclinations. Multiple orbital shells 50 km apart.
    Cooling: radiative
    Schedule: unspecified
    Sat size, weight, power, cost, ..: unspecified
    Launches: millions of tons of mass per year

    There goes the neighborhood.
    Or is this just marketing fluff and orbital hoarding?

    @sundogplanets
    https://www.scribd.com/document/990116826/Orbital-Data-Center-LOA-Narrative
    https://fccprod.servicenowservices.com/icfs?id=ibfs_application_summary&number=SAT-LOA-20260108-00016
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    @AkaSci @sundogplanets OK, this has gone far enough. Does anyone actually have a way of shooting these fucking things down as they launch? Just asking.

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    • Donald BallD Donald Ball

      @AkaSci @sundogplanets Nothing about this makes any practical sense from a computer engineering perspective.

      trainguyromT This user is from outside of this forum
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      #19

      @donaldball @AkaSci @sundogplanets especially when we could simply lay more fiber trunks across the world (technology that already exists and is awesome) and achieve multiple magnitudes more bandwidth for more people at far greater speeds and consistencies! But that wouldn't further inflate Musk's wealth so we can't have that!

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      • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

        New FCC filing by SpaceX for constellation of million data center satellites for AI apps.

        # of sats: up to 1 million!
        Orbit: 500 km and 2,000 km altitude and 30°inclinations. Multiple orbital shells 50 km apart.
        Cooling: radiative
        Schedule: unspecified
        Sat size, weight, power, cost, ..: unspecified
        Launches: millions of tons of mass per year

        There goes the neighborhood.
        Or is this just marketing fluff and orbital hoarding?

        @sundogplanets
        https://www.scribd.com/document/990116826/Orbital-Data-Center-LOA-Narrative
        https://fccprod.servicenowservices.com/icfs?id=ibfs_application_summary&number=SAT-LOA-20260108-00016
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        @AkaSci @sundogplanets we should start crowdfunding "Kessler Takedown Rockets"

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        • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

          The filing is short on details and long on lofty goals and promises.

          And also a bit sloppy -
          "Global electricity demand for data centers is projected to more than double by 2035 driven by growth in AI — reaching ~1,200-1,700 Terawatt hours and ..."

          You gotta specify TW or TW-hours per month or per year.

          Also, I suspect the million satellite number comes from 1 million * 100 kw = 100 GW total power.

          For comparison, Starlink v3 satellites will generate 20 kW with a 60x8 m array.

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          A blunt assessment of "AI datacenters in space” by Prof. Matthew Buckley in Dec 2025 -

          "To be blunt, the entire stupid idea is a giant middle finger to multiple fundamentals of physics, and the fact that it is apparently being taken seriously by our tech lords, mainstream journalism, and political leaders is a damning indictment of not just the ridiculous amount of money chasing bad ideas in the tech/LLM/hype sector that has eaten the American economy, ..."

          https://www.physicsmatt.com/blog/2025/12/11/the-dumbest-thing-ive-seen-this-week
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          • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

            A blunt assessment of "AI datacenters in space” by Prof. Matthew Buckley in Dec 2025 -

            "To be blunt, the entire stupid idea is a giant middle finger to multiple fundamentals of physics, and the fact that it is apparently being taken seriously by our tech lords, mainstream journalism, and political leaders is a damning indictment of not just the ridiculous amount of money chasing bad ideas in the tech/LLM/hype sector that has eaten the American economy, ..."

            https://www.physicsmatt.com/blog/2025/12/11/the-dumbest-thing-ive-seen-this-week
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            Wulfy—Speaker to the machinesN This user is from outside of this forum
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            #22

            @AkaSci

            Sooner or later, the unemployed, angry masses of #AiAntagonists will stop posting silly memes and start smashing #datacenters instead...

            ...from that perspective putting data centers in orbit is perfect protection against angry #luddite mobs...

            ...as a plus, cooling and power, which is the main thrust of Luddite critique (because #AI #LLM are totally useless) is taken care of in orbit...

            So if you have lift capacity of $20/kg suddenly orbital data centre starts to look like a damn good investment.

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            • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

              New FCC filing by SpaceX for constellation of million data center satellites for AI apps.

              # of sats: up to 1 million!
              Orbit: 500 km and 2,000 km altitude and 30°inclinations. Multiple orbital shells 50 km apart.
              Cooling: radiative
              Schedule: unspecified
              Sat size, weight, power, cost, ..: unspecified
              Launches: millions of tons of mass per year

              There goes the neighborhood.
              Or is this just marketing fluff and orbital hoarding?

              @sundogplanets
              https://www.scribd.com/document/990116826/Orbital-Data-Center-LOA-Narrative
              https://fccprod.servicenowservices.com/icfs?id=ibfs_application_summary&number=SAT-LOA-20260108-00016
              1/n

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              @AkaSci @sundogplanets

              Will they be armed with lazers?

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              • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

                New FCC filing by SpaceX for constellation of million data center satellites for AI apps.

                # of sats: up to 1 million!
                Orbit: 500 km and 2,000 km altitude and 30°inclinations. Multiple orbital shells 50 km apart.
                Cooling: radiative
                Schedule: unspecified
                Sat size, weight, power, cost, ..: unspecified
                Launches: millions of tons of mass per year

                There goes the neighborhood.
                Or is this just marketing fluff and orbital hoarding?

                @sundogplanets
                https://www.scribd.com/document/990116826/Orbital-Data-Center-LOA-Narrative
                https://fccprod.servicenowservices.com/icfs?id=ibfs_application_summary&number=SAT-LOA-20260108-00016
                1/n

                Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
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                #24

                @AkaSci @sundogplanets
                These are mild
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale#Criticisms_of_the_classification

                Even Kardashev I is fantasy.

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                • Wulfy—Speaker to the machinesN Wulfy—Speaker to the machines

                  @AkaSci

                  Sooner or later, the unemployed, angry masses of #AiAntagonists will stop posting silly memes and start smashing #datacenters instead...

                  ...from that perspective putting data centers in orbit is perfect protection against angry #luddite mobs...

                  ...as a plus, cooling and power, which is the main thrust of Luddite critique (because #AI #LLM are totally useless) is taken care of in orbit...

                  So if you have lift capacity of $20/kg suddenly orbital data centre starts to look like a damn good investment.

                  Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @n_dimension @AkaSci
                  Frank Herbert's imagined "Butlerian Jihad" in Dune is looking likely.

                  Multiple levels of magical thinking!

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                  • Wulfy—Speaker to the machinesN Wulfy—Speaker to the machines

                    @AkaSci

                    Sooner or later, the unemployed, angry masses of #AiAntagonists will stop posting silly memes and start smashing #datacenters instead...

                    ...from that perspective putting data centers in orbit is perfect protection against angry #luddite mobs...

                    ...as a plus, cooling and power, which is the main thrust of Luddite critique (because #AI #LLM are totally useless) is taken care of in orbit...

                    So if you have lift capacity of $20/kg suddenly orbital data centre starts to look like a damn good investment.

                    Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #26

                    @n_dimension @AkaSci
                    Cooling stuff in space is actually really hard. No evaporation cycles, convection or conduction. Only IR radiation on the "dark" side.

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                    • Ray McCarthyR Ray McCarthy

                      @n_dimension @AkaSci
                      Cooling stuff in space is actually really hard. No evaporation cycles, convection or conduction. Only IR radiation on the "dark" side.

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                      #27

                      @raymaccarthy @n_dimension
                      Not a problem. AI will solve it 😜

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                      • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

                        @raymaccarthy @n_dimension
                        Not a problem. AI will solve it 😜

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                        @AkaSci @n_dimension
                        You need to adjust your clothing!

                        That's fierce sarcasm that's exposed!

                        AI might, but we have no idea how to make an AI. The LLM/Generative "AI" are statistical plagiarism machines. More useful mis-named Machine learning is simply curated databases and pattern matching, with rules created by experts.

                        Scrape the Internet and you end up with regurgitated "Grokipedia", a NAZIfied version of Wikipedia, and a bunch on random nonsense.

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                        • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

                          New FCC filing by SpaceX for constellation of million data center satellites for AI apps.

                          # of sats: up to 1 million!
                          Orbit: 500 km and 2,000 km altitude and 30°inclinations. Multiple orbital shells 50 km apart.
                          Cooling: radiative
                          Schedule: unspecified
                          Sat size, weight, power, cost, ..: unspecified
                          Launches: millions of tons of mass per year

                          There goes the neighborhood.
                          Or is this just marketing fluff and orbital hoarding?

                          @sundogplanets
                          https://www.scribd.com/document/990116826/Orbital-Data-Center-LOA-Narrative
                          https://fccprod.servicenowservices.com/icfs?id=ibfs_application_summary&number=SAT-LOA-20260108-00016
                          1/n

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                          #29

                          @AkaSci @sundogplanets

                          What happens if the command to 'hurtle towards the earth in a fiery rain' is pushed to the network?

                          Does Musk become a God in fact?

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                          • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

                            New FCC filing by SpaceX for constellation of million data center satellites for AI apps.

                            # of sats: up to 1 million!
                            Orbit: 500 km and 2,000 km altitude and 30°inclinations. Multiple orbital shells 50 km apart.
                            Cooling: radiative
                            Schedule: unspecified
                            Sat size, weight, power, cost, ..: unspecified
                            Launches: millions of tons of mass per year

                            There goes the neighborhood.
                            Or is this just marketing fluff and orbital hoarding?

                            @sundogplanets
                            https://www.scribd.com/document/990116826/Orbital-Data-Center-LOA-Narrative
                            https://fccprod.servicenowservices.com/icfs?id=ibfs_application_summary&number=SAT-LOA-20260108-00016
                            1/n

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                            @AkaSci @sundogplanets At this point in human history, having the Kessler Syndrome occur just might not be the worst thing

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                            • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

                              A blunt assessment of "AI datacenters in space” by Prof. Matthew Buckley in Dec 2025 -

                              "To be blunt, the entire stupid idea is a giant middle finger to multiple fundamentals of physics, and the fact that it is apparently being taken seriously by our tech lords, mainstream journalism, and political leaders is a damning indictment of not just the ridiculous amount of money chasing bad ideas in the tech/LLM/hype sector that has eaten the American economy, ..."

                              https://www.physicsmatt.com/blog/2025/12/11/the-dumbest-thing-ive-seen-this-week
                              4/n

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                              @AkaSci but hey, think of all that random bit flipping you’d get from the cosmic radiation. A whole new flavor of stochastic gradient descent! lol

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                              • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

                                New FCC filing by SpaceX for constellation of million data center satellites for AI apps.

                                # of sats: up to 1 million!
                                Orbit: 500 km and 2,000 km altitude and 30°inclinations. Multiple orbital shells 50 km apart.
                                Cooling: radiative
                                Schedule: unspecified
                                Sat size, weight, power, cost, ..: unspecified
                                Launches: millions of tons of mass per year

                                There goes the neighborhood.
                                Or is this just marketing fluff and orbital hoarding?

                                @sundogplanets
                                https://www.scribd.com/document/990116826/Orbital-Data-Center-LOA-Narrative
                                https://fccprod.servicenowservices.com/icfs?id=ibfs_application_summary&number=SAT-LOA-20260108-00016
                                1/n

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                                @AkaSci @sundogplanets One of the dumbest things I ever heard. How do you cool a data centre in a vacuum? Somehow get the heat to the outside and try to radiate it? Must be possible to workout the maths for radiating heat. I wonder how long it would take to earn back the energy taken to get it into space in the first place.

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                                • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

                                  A blunt assessment of "AI datacenters in space” by Prof. Matthew Buckley in Dec 2025 -

                                  "To be blunt, the entire stupid idea is a giant middle finger to multiple fundamentals of physics, and the fact that it is apparently being taken seriously by our tech lords, mainstream journalism, and political leaders is a damning indictment of not just the ridiculous amount of money chasing bad ideas in the tech/LLM/hype sector that has eaten the American economy, ..."

                                  https://www.physicsmatt.com/blog/2025/12/11/the-dumbest-thing-ive-seen-this-week
                                  4/n

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                                  @AkaSci how will they launch the sysops?

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                                  • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

                                    New FCC filing by SpaceX for constellation of million data center satellites for AI apps.

                                    # of sats: up to 1 million!
                                    Orbit: 500 km and 2,000 km altitude and 30°inclinations. Multiple orbital shells 50 km apart.
                                    Cooling: radiative
                                    Schedule: unspecified
                                    Sat size, weight, power, cost, ..: unspecified
                                    Launches: millions of tons of mass per year

                                    There goes the neighborhood.
                                    Or is this just marketing fluff and orbital hoarding?

                                    @sundogplanets
                                    https://www.scribd.com/document/990116826/Orbital-Data-Center-LOA-Narrative
                                    https://fccprod.servicenowservices.com/icfs?id=ibfs_application_summary&number=SAT-LOA-20260108-00016
                                    1/n

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                                    #34

                                    @AkaSci

                                    Let's ignore the reality that orbital data centres are bullshit for hundreds of reasons and assume ketamine boy can pull it off.

                                    This site lists the sizes and masses of starlink satellites. I'm going to use the V2 full size specs. 40m^2 fully deployed and 1,250kg.

                                    https://dishycentral.com/how-big-are-starlink-satellites

                                    The orbital decay times for unboosted satellites with those specs at different altitudes are;

                                    500km - 5.68 years
                                    600km - 47.02 years
                                    700km - 303.73 years
                                    800km - 1,536.21 years
                                    900km - 6,112.47 years
                                    1,000km - 19,255.79 years

                                    Orbital decay calculator here;

                                    https://www.lizard-tail.com/isana/lab/orbital_decay/

                                    Data centres at higher altitudes better be built to last because they are not coming back down any time soon.

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                                    • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

                                      A blunt assessment of "AI datacenters in space” by Prof. Matthew Buckley in Dec 2025 -

                                      "To be blunt, the entire stupid idea is a giant middle finger to multiple fundamentals of physics, and the fact that it is apparently being taken seriously by our tech lords, mainstream journalism, and political leaders is a damning indictment of not just the ridiculous amount of money chasing bad ideas in the tech/LLM/hype sector that has eaten the American economy, ..."

                                      https://www.physicsmatt.com/blog/2025/12/11/the-dumbest-thing-ive-seen-this-week
                                      4/n

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                                      @AkaSci well, there's this simple solution, although unpopular because ICE exists: arrest that south african illegal immigrant and NEVER let him go. Problem solved.

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                                      • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

                                        A blunt assessment of "AI datacenters in space” by Prof. Matthew Buckley in Dec 2025 -

                                        "To be blunt, the entire stupid idea is a giant middle finger to multiple fundamentals of physics, and the fact that it is apparently being taken seriously by our tech lords, mainstream journalism, and political leaders is a damning indictment of not just the ridiculous amount of money chasing bad ideas in the tech/LLM/hype sector that has eaten the American economy, ..."

                                        https://www.physicsmatt.com/blog/2025/12/11/the-dumbest-thing-ive-seen-this-week
                                        4/n

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                                        Another good article by a former NASA engineer/scientist on why "Datacenters in space are a terrible, horrible, no good idea."

                                        "This is an absolutely terrible idea, and really makes zero sense whatsoever. There are multiple reasons for this, but they all amount to saying that the kind of electronics needed to make a datacenter work, particularly a datacenter deploying AI capacity in the form of GPUs and TPUs, is exactly the opposite of what works in space."

                                        https://taranis.ie/datacenters-in-space-are-a-terrible-horrible-no-good-idea/
                                        5/n

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                                        • AkaSci 🛰️A AkaSci 🛰️

                                          A blunt assessment of "AI datacenters in space” by Prof. Matthew Buckley in Dec 2025 -

                                          "To be blunt, the entire stupid idea is a giant middle finger to multiple fundamentals of physics, and the fact that it is apparently being taken seriously by our tech lords, mainstream journalism, and political leaders is a damning indictment of not just the ridiculous amount of money chasing bad ideas in the tech/LLM/hype sector that has eaten the American economy, ..."

                                          https://www.physicsmatt.com/blog/2025/12/11/the-dumbest-thing-ive-seen-this-week
                                          4/n

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                                          @AkaSci As much as I think the current Data Center Boom (TM) is a massive bubble that will end badly with a LOT of bag holders, if we really really needed *that much* compute we have plenty of cold surface area that just needs "bring heavy things and folks in and out" infrastructure.

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