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Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini.

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  • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

    Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

    #darkpatterns

    MostlyTatoM This user is from outside of this forum
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    MostlyTato
    wrote on last edited by
    #26

    @briankrebs
    Because writing an email is such a hard thing that we have always struggled with...🙄

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    • Multi "skateboard propeller" :companion_cube: :lizard_doggo:M Multi "skateboard propeller" :companion_cube: :lizard_doggo:

      @briankrebs i wonder how many users misread confidently as confidentially and proceeded to do. Uh. Security incidents

      gardengeekG This user is from outside of this forum
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      gardengeek
      wrote on last edited by
      #27

      @multisn8

      I did! when seeing this screenshot, my first thought was: huh, I wonder how confidential this really is?? I was confident about my initial read.

      Also, does this mean that some (many? most??) emails I receive from gmail accounts will be written by AI? I'm sorry, but I do not spend my time reading AI-generated mail. Boycott in both directions (sending and receiving from gmail).

      @briankrebs

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      • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

        @rootwyrm It worked, but then when I went to compose an email it fired another popup trying to push Gemini.

        EarthshineE This user is from outside of this forum
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        Earthshine
        wrote on last edited by
        #28

        @briankrebs @rootwyrm the correct process flow is x -> options -> takeout -> download my data -> options -> account -> delete my account.

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        • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

          Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

          #darkpatterns

          kbalK This user is from outside of this forum
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          kbal
          wrote on last edited by
          #29

          Is it just me, or does "draft emails confidently" seem like too awkward a phrase to inspire much confidence?

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          • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

            Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

            #darkpatterns

            GustavoQ This user is from outside of this forum
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            Gustavo
            wrote on last edited by
            #30

            @briankrebs I just disabled the smart features entirely. No, smart folder organization isn't a thing I want, it is why I disabled it in the first place. I'm sure Google is using my messages to train their models anyway, but I don't want to get bothered by all this fuzz.

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            • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

              Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

              #darkpatterns

              Alex M. Dunne (he/him)A This user is from outside of this forum
              Alex M. Dunne (he/him)A This user is from outside of this forum
              Alex M. Dunne (he/him)
              wrote on last edited by
              #31

              @briankrebs

              That's weird #AI marketing from #gmail.

              As "a random guy on the internet" I have all the confidence I need to type an email...

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              • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                @rootwyrm It worked, but then when I went to compose an email it fired another popup trying to push Gemini.

                RootWyrm 🇺🇦:progress:R This user is from outside of this forum
                RootWyrm 🇺🇦:progress:R This user is from outside of this forum
                RootWyrm 🇺🇦:progress:
                wrote on last edited by
                #32

                @briankrebs yep, there is absolutely no way to turn it off now, and no way to keep it from hoovering up your inbox for training. "X" is just "force it on me every time."

                Seriously.
                People need to get the fuck off Gmail.
                It's so damn bad that I am giving serious consideration to starting an email hosting business. And I know better than just about everyone what that involves.

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                • GustavoQ Gustavo

                  @briankrebs I just disabled the smart features entirely. No, smart folder organization isn't a thing I want, it is why I disabled it in the first place. I'm sure Google is using my messages to train their models anyway, but I don't want to get bothered by all this fuzz.

                  GustavoQ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Gustavo
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #33

                  @briankrebs And, while we are here talking about email, a coworker suggested that I use Outlook. Which alternative exists which is not backed by Mozilla and supports Windows and HTML mail? If there isn't one, I guess I will have to use Thunderbird.

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                  • Paul Chambers🚧P Paul Chambers🚧

                    @kahomono You still get the nag screens every time they release a new feature and every now and then a nag screen to turn Gemini on. @briankrebs

                    MsMeropeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    MsMerope
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                    #34

                    @paul @kahomono @briankrebs

                    yup - I turned all that crap off as soon as I found out I could do so and **then** when I started getting those screen nags I went back and rechecked my settings: all the smart 💩 still set to off.

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                    • MsMeropeM MsMerope

                      @paul @kahomono @briankrebs

                      yup - I turned all that crap off as soon as I found out I could do so and **then** when I started getting those screen nags I went back and rechecked my settings: all the smart 💩 still set to off.

                      BrianKrebsB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      BrianKrebs
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #35

                      @MsMerope @paul @kahomono just checked and yep that's all turned off in my profile as well.

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                      • diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱D diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱

                        @briankrebs

                        and this is why I am going back to the 1990's style email server, spool, and a terminal window client that reads text. Just like the old Unix days as K&R intended.

                        MsMeropeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        MsMerope
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                        #36

                        @dianea @briankrebs

                        bring back Eudora!!!

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                        • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                          @MsMerope @paul @kahomono just checked and yep that's all turned off in my profile as well.

                          Paul Chambers🚧P This user is from outside of this forum
                          Paul Chambers🚧P This user is from outside of this forum
                          Paul Chambers🚧
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #37

                          @briankrebs You get the same type nag notification, with the elusive and unclear button naming and choices, for other Google products, like Photos and Home, when they add Gemini features. @MsMerope @kahomono

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                          • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                            Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                            #darkpatterns

                            Duckbilled Plattypus.P This user is from outside of this forum
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                            Duckbilled Plattypus.
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #38

                            @briankrebs I recently got a business email using a term that is a notorious red flag lawsuit bait. I emailed the sender to politely point it out. They were horrified and admitted AI re-wrote it when they asked AI to make it 'more approachable, nicer.' They forgot to add "and 100% compliant with all laws and regulations."

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                            • diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱D diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱

                              @briankrebs

                              and this is why I am going back to the 1990's style email server, spool, and a terminal window client that reads text. Just like the old Unix days as K&R intended.

                              loStronzoRoccoD This user is from outside of this forum
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                              loStronzoRocco
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #39

                              @dianea @briankrebs Text only is the way. I was actually talking about the benefits of reading text only email with a friend whose company wanted better formatting in their html based emails. Yeah. Fuck that, text lines up perfectly and doesn’t need anything fancy. Simple does not mean deprecated or useless.

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                              • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                                #darkpatterns

                                LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L This user is from outside of this forum
                                LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L This user is from outside of this forum
                                LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #40

                                @briankrebs no the X must be a "ask me again tomorrow "

                                Continue mean enable it but do not make a demo,

                                Try it now is enable it and make a demo

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                                • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                  Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                                  #darkpatterns

                                  Wendizen 🇺🇦W This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Wendizen 🇺🇦
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #41

                                  @briankrebs I like the humaning part, where my brain has to do things. So GFY, Gemini.

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                                  • LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺

                                    @briankrebs no the X must be a "ask me again tomorrow "

                                    Continue mean enable it but do not make a demo,

                                    Try it now is enable it and make a demo

                                    ScoldyFingerWaggerH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    ScoldyFingerWagger
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #42

                                    @lexinova @briankrebs
                                    All that little X means is "Hide this dialog"!

                                    It has no bearing on the contents of that dialog.

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                                    • ScoldyFingerWaggerH ScoldyFingerWagger

                                      @lexinova @briankrebs
                                      All that little X means is "Hide this dialog"!

                                      It has no bearing on the contents of that dialog.

                                      LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L This user is from outside of this forum
                                      LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L This user is from outside of this forum
                                      LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #43

                                      @HereToChewGum @briankrebs in my case it was a sarcasm, to say their : Maybe / Yes / Yes is a dark pattern

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                                      • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                        Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                                        #darkpatterns

                                        Paul_IPv6P This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Paul_IPv6
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #44

                                        @briankrebs

                                        at least they're honest that it composes "confidently", not "correctly"...

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                                        • LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺

                                          @HereToChewGum @briankrebs in my case it was a sarcasm, to say their : Maybe / Yes / Yes is a dark pattern

                                          ScoldyFingerWaggerH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          ScoldyFingerWagger
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #45

                                          @lexinova @briankrebs

                                          You could be inadvertently right tho. It can mean any of those depending in the case.

                                          If I click on a result from a search engine and I get confronted by a similarly confusing dialog I never know which opton to take.

                                          So recently I have been choosing to just close the tab...

                                          It would be nice to have a R-click menu option to block that domain from the results of future searches.Is there an add-on for that?

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