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Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini.

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  • ((( Geekosaurus )))K ((( Geekosaurus )))

    @briankrebs There is a setting to turn off "smart features" which will suppress those Gemini prompts.

    Paul Chambers🚧P This user is from outside of this forum
    Paul Chambers🚧P This user is from outside of this forum
    Paul Chambers🚧
    wrote on last edited by
    #25

    @kahomono You still get the nag screens every time they release a new feature and every now and then a nag screen to turn Gemini on. @briankrebs

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    • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

      Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

      #darkpatterns

      MostlyTatoM This user is from outside of this forum
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      MostlyTato
      wrote on last edited by
      #26

      @briankrebs
      Because writing an email is such a hard thing that we have always struggled with...🙄

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      • Multi "skateboard propeller" :companion_cube: :lizard_doggo:M Multi "skateboard propeller" :companion_cube: :lizard_doggo:

        @briankrebs i wonder how many users misread confidently as confidentially and proceeded to do. Uh. Security incidents

        gardengeekG This user is from outside of this forum
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        gardengeek
        wrote on last edited by
        #27

        @multisn8

        I did! when seeing this screenshot, my first thought was: huh, I wonder how confidential this really is?? I was confident about my initial read.

        Also, does this mean that some (many? most??) emails I receive from gmail accounts will be written by AI? I'm sorry, but I do not spend my time reading AI-generated mail. Boycott in both directions (sending and receiving from gmail).

        @briankrebs

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        • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

          @rootwyrm It worked, but then when I went to compose an email it fired another popup trying to push Gemini.

          EarthshineE This user is from outside of this forum
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          Earthshine
          wrote on last edited by
          #28

          @briankrebs @rootwyrm the correct process flow is x -> options -> takeout -> download my data -> options -> account -> delete my account.

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          • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

            Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

            #darkpatterns

            kbalK This user is from outside of this forum
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            kbal
            wrote on last edited by
            #29

            Is it just me, or does "draft emails confidently" seem like too awkward a phrase to inspire much confidence?

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            • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

              Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

              #darkpatterns

              GustavoQ This user is from outside of this forum
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              Gustavo
              wrote on last edited by
              #30

              @briankrebs I just disabled the smart features entirely. No, smart folder organization isn't a thing I want, it is why I disabled it in the first place. I'm sure Google is using my messages to train their models anyway, but I don't want to get bothered by all this fuzz.

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              • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                #darkpatterns

                Alex M. Dunne (he/him)A This user is from outside of this forum
                Alex M. Dunne (he/him)A This user is from outside of this forum
                Alex M. Dunne (he/him)
                wrote on last edited by
                #31

                @briankrebs

                That's weird #AI marketing from #gmail.

                As "a random guy on the internet" I have all the confidence I need to type an email...

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                • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                  @rootwyrm It worked, but then when I went to compose an email it fired another popup trying to push Gemini.

                  RootWyrm 🇺🇦:progress:R This user is from outside of this forum
                  RootWyrm 🇺🇦:progress:R This user is from outside of this forum
                  RootWyrm 🇺🇦:progress:
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #32

                  @briankrebs yep, there is absolutely no way to turn it off now, and no way to keep it from hoovering up your inbox for training. "X" is just "force it on me every time."

                  Seriously.
                  People need to get the fuck off Gmail.
                  It's so damn bad that I am giving serious consideration to starting an email hosting business. And I know better than just about everyone what that involves.

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                  • GustavoQ Gustavo

                    @briankrebs I just disabled the smart features entirely. No, smart folder organization isn't a thing I want, it is why I disabled it in the first place. I'm sure Google is using my messages to train their models anyway, but I don't want to get bothered by all this fuzz.

                    GustavoQ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Gustavo
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #33

                    @briankrebs And, while we are here talking about email, a coworker suggested that I use Outlook. Which alternative exists which is not backed by Mozilla and supports Windows and HTML mail? If there isn't one, I guess I will have to use Thunderbird.

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                    • Paul Chambers🚧P Paul Chambers🚧

                      @kahomono You still get the nag screens every time they release a new feature and every now and then a nag screen to turn Gemini on. @briankrebs

                      MsMeropeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      MsMerope
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                      #34

                      @paul @kahomono @briankrebs

                      yup - I turned all that crap off as soon as I found out I could do so and **then** when I started getting those screen nags I went back and rechecked my settings: all the smart 💩 still set to off.

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                      • MsMeropeM MsMerope

                        @paul @kahomono @briankrebs

                        yup - I turned all that crap off as soon as I found out I could do so and **then** when I started getting those screen nags I went back and rechecked my settings: all the smart 💩 still set to off.

                        BrianKrebsB This user is from outside of this forum
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                        BrianKrebs
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #35

                        @MsMerope @paul @kahomono just checked and yep that's all turned off in my profile as well.

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                        • diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱D diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱

                          @briankrebs

                          and this is why I am going back to the 1990's style email server, spool, and a terminal window client that reads text. Just like the old Unix days as K&R intended.

                          MsMeropeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          MsMerope
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #36

                          @dianea @briankrebs

                          bring back Eudora!!!

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                          • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                            @MsMerope @paul @kahomono just checked and yep that's all turned off in my profile as well.

                            Paul Chambers🚧P This user is from outside of this forum
                            Paul Chambers🚧P This user is from outside of this forum
                            Paul Chambers🚧
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #37

                            @briankrebs You get the same type nag notification, with the elusive and unclear button naming and choices, for other Google products, like Photos and Home, when they add Gemini features. @MsMerope @kahomono

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                            • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                              Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                              #darkpatterns

                              Duckbilled Plattypus.P This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Duckbilled Plattypus.
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #38

                              @briankrebs I recently got a business email using a term that is a notorious red flag lawsuit bait. I emailed the sender to politely point it out. They were horrified and admitted AI re-wrote it when they asked AI to make it 'more approachable, nicer.' They forgot to add "and 100% compliant with all laws and regulations."

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                              • diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱D diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱

                                @briankrebs

                                and this is why I am going back to the 1990's style email server, spool, and a terminal window client that reads text. Just like the old Unix days as K&R intended.

                                loStronzoRoccoD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                loStronzoRocco
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #39

                                @dianea @briankrebs Text only is the way. I was actually talking about the benefits of reading text only email with a friend whose company wanted better formatting in their html based emails. Yeah. Fuck that, text lines up perfectly and doesn’t need anything fancy. Simple does not mean deprecated or useless.

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                                • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                  Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                                  #darkpatterns

                                  LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L This user is from outside of this forum
                                  LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L This user is from outside of this forum
                                  LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #40

                                  @briankrebs no the X must be a "ask me again tomorrow "

                                  Continue mean enable it but do not make a demo,

                                  Try it now is enable it and make a demo

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                                  • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                    Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                                    #darkpatterns

                                    Wendizen 🇺🇦W This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Wendizen 🇺🇦
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #41

                                    @briankrebs I like the humaning part, where my brain has to do things. So GFY, Gemini.

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                                    • LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺

                                      @briankrebs no the X must be a "ask me again tomorrow "

                                      Continue mean enable it but do not make a demo,

                                      Try it now is enable it and make a demo

                                      ScoldyFingerWaggerH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      ScoldyFingerWagger
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #42

                                      @lexinova @briankrebs
                                      All that little X means is "Hide this dialog"!

                                      It has no bearing on the contents of that dialog.

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                                      • ScoldyFingerWaggerH ScoldyFingerWagger

                                        @lexinova @briankrebs
                                        All that little X means is "Hide this dialog"!

                                        It has no bearing on the contents of that dialog.

                                        LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #43

                                        @HereToChewGum @briankrebs in my case it was a sarcasm, to say their : Maybe / Yes / Yes is a dark pattern

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                                        • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                          Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                                          #darkpatterns

                                          Paul_IPv6P This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          Paul_IPv6
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #44

                                          @briankrebs

                                          at least they're honest that it composes "confidently", not "correctly"...

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