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  • Javier de la CuevaJ Javier de la Cueva

    Actions speak louder than words.

    I am unable to install EU Login app in my phone because I use LineageOS and not the Google Spy Android.

    Thus, I cannot use the double factor authentication, mandatory from the 25-02-2026 on unless I tell Google.

    A frontal attack to our #privacy.

    Stupid, no?

    @EUCommission

    schrotthaufenS This user is from outside of this forum
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    schrotthaufen
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    #60

    @EUCommission This is not how to do digital sovereignity. At all. Every mandated and/or taxpayer funded software must run on de-googled Android (LineageOS, GrapheneOS) or postmarketOS if it’s a mobile app, and Linux if it’s a desktop app. (That’s in addition to “regular” Android, iOS, Windows, and macOS.)

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    • Javier de la CuevaJ Javier de la Cueva

      Actions speak louder than words.

      I am unable to install EU Login app in my phone because I use LineageOS and not the Google Spy Android.

      Thus, I cannot use the double factor authentication, mandatory from the 25-02-2026 on unless I tell Google.

      A frontal attack to our #privacy.

      Stupid, no?

      @EUCommission

      Miah JohnsonM This user is from outside of this forum
      Miah JohnsonM This user is from outside of this forum
      Miah Johnson
      wrote last edited by
      #61

      @jdelacueva @EUCommission getting to the point where you need a dedicated Google device for things like this and then your daily use mobile device. Keep the spyware device in a drawer at home..

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      • Javier de la CuevaJ Javier de la Cueva

        Actions speak louder than words.

        I am unable to install EU Login app in my phone because I use LineageOS and not the Google Spy Android.

        Thus, I cannot use the double factor authentication, mandatory from the 25-02-2026 on unless I tell Google.

        A frontal attack to our #privacy.

        Stupid, no?

        @EUCommission

        Dr0idA This user is from outside of this forum
        Dr0idA This user is from outside of this forum
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        #62

        @jdelacueva @EUCommission In my opinion the problem here is that the fact that it requires you Play Integrity is not a mistake, it is something sought with a clear objective. A company that has an economic interest can be imposed with sanctions if you don’t do what you want or even veto it. If you force everyone to need to spend Play Integrity you are forcing them to rely on a phone manufacturer that has to conform to your regulations in order to sell. ⏬

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        • Dr0idA Dr0id

          @jdelacueva @EUCommission In my opinion the problem here is that the fact that it requires you Play Integrity is not a mistake, it is something sought with a clear objective. A company that has an economic interest can be imposed with sanctions if you don’t do what you want or even veto it. If you force everyone to need to spend Play Integrity you are forcing them to rely on a phone manufacturer that has to conform to your regulations in order to sell. ⏬

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          @jdelacueva @EUCommission Considering the trend to impose age verification to access social media with the "Fake News" scum and the control of "hate speech" and the possible age verification imposition to use VPN, it makes sense that you are forced to pass the play integrity in more and more official applications in EU agencies and the countries that make it up. ⏬

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          • Dr0idA Dr0id

            @jdelacueva @EUCommission Considering the trend to impose age verification to access social media with the "Fake News" scum and the control of "hate speech" and the possible age verification imposition to use VPN, it makes sense that you are forced to pass the play integrity in more and more official applications in EU agencies and the countries that make it up. ⏬

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            @jdelacueva @EUCommission All this coupled with the efforts they are making to impose the Chat Control plus the dijital ID (which will surely be a Wallet that will have to pass Play Integrity) at the European level what I see is a totalitarian drift towards the end of Internet privacy throughout the EU

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            • Javier de la CuevaJ Javier de la Cueva

              Actions speak louder than words.

              I am unable to install EU Login app in my phone because I use LineageOS and not the Google Spy Android.

              Thus, I cannot use the double factor authentication, mandatory from the 25-02-2026 on unless I tell Google.

              A frontal attack to our #privacy.

              Stupid, no?

              @EUCommission

              URP74U This user is from outside of this forum
              URP74U This user is from outside of this forum
              URP74
              wrote last edited by
              #65

              @jdelacueva

              Works fine on /e/OS however...

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              • Sco :progress: :flag_mm:S Sco :progress: :flag_mm:

                @GOKUSHRM @phil @jdelacueva @EUCommission
                I do have Teams installed on a Lineage based thing. From Aurora. And recently it says it will not function without Play integration. It lets me log in, but it will not show anything really.

                From what I understand, Play issues certain certificates that non-Play markets dont.

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                #66

                @Scofisticated @phil @jdelacueva @EUCommission element, element x, jitsi meet are grt alternatives of MS team. All are open source apps. All available on F-Droid as well as on aurora

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                • ĞÖKÜ👻👻™G ĞÖKÜ👻👻™

                  @Scofisticated @phil @jdelacueva @EUCommission element, element x, jitsi meet are grt alternatives of MS team. All are open source apps. All available on F-Droid as well as on aurora

                  Sco :progress: :flag_mm:S This user is from outside of this forum
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                  wrote last edited by
                  #67

                  @GOKUSHRM The Teams is for work. Otherwise, I wouldnt bother.

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                  • Sco :progress: :flag_mm:S Sco :progress: :flag_mm:

                    @GOKUSHRM The Teams is for work. Otherwise, I wouldnt bother.

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                    @Scofisticated with microG u can use teams without issue.. But if u using lineageos then u should use Foss apps like jitsi meets for personal or for work.. Try jitsi meet

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                      wrote last edited by
                      #69

                      @guigsy @Scofisticated OOPS, 😔, then no option.. Last option.. Install Google play service app (oldest version) & turn off all internet connection option in app setting. Use ur team app... MS Google apple all joined hands together. All doing shit

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                      • https://purl.org/rzr#R https://purl.org/rzr#

                        https://mastodon.social/@jdelacueva/116103089304791787#

                        Is there any public group taking care of #Eu #DigitalSovereignty (for what ever it means ?)

                        Is it part of #CRA requirements ?

                        I have similar concerns regarding #MsMonopoly on #SecureBoot for #x86 #Computers (#PCs and #Servers).

                        Are anti concurrency practices also a model threat to you ?

                        Lot of questions, few answers so far, only implementations with mixed feelings..

                        Inputs welcome anyway

                        @matv1 @jdelacueva @EUCommission

                        LambertL This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @rzr @matv1 @jdelacueva @EUCommission the EU Login Mobile App should not require any Google services and it should be Open Source - the EU should start acting according to its own values and mission statement instead of preaching #digitalsovereignty but practising the contrary.

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                        • URP74U URP74

                          @jdelacueva

                          Works fine on /e/OS however...

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                          8472
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                          @URP74 @jdelacueva thanks to microg. Still connects to google 😑

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                          • Javier de la CuevaJ Javier de la Cueva

                            Actions speak louder than words.

                            I am unable to install EU Login app in my phone because I use LineageOS and not the Google Spy Android.

                            Thus, I cannot use the double factor authentication, mandatory from the 25-02-2026 on unless I tell Google.

                            A frontal attack to our #privacy.

                            Stupid, no?

                            @EUCommission

                            Fokeu 🇪🇺🚩F This user is from outside of this forum
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                            Fokeu 🇪🇺🚩
                            wrote last edited by
                            #72

                            @jdelacueva @EUCommission This is unacceptable.

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                            • LambertL Lambert

                              @rzr @matv1 @jdelacueva @EUCommission the EU Login Mobile App should not require any Google services and it should be Open Source - the EU should start acting according to its own values and mission statement instead of preaching #digitalsovereignty but practising the contrary.

                              Robert Riemann 🇪🇺R This user is from outside of this forum
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                              wrote last edited by
                              #73

                              @lambert @rzr @matv1 @jdelacueva @EUCommission

                              I'm involved in some discussion on this matter. The short answer is that the app is not mandatory: one can use other factors. However, I only heard of few people that have figured out how to use the alternative factors.

                              Best,
                              Robert

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                              • Javier de la CuevaJ Javier de la Cueva

                                Actions speak louder than words.

                                I am unable to install EU Login app in my phone because I use LineageOS and not the Google Spy Android.

                                Thus, I cannot use the double factor authentication, mandatory from the 25-02-2026 on unless I tell Google.

                                A frontal attack to our #privacy.

                                Stupid, no?

                                @EUCommission

                                FaxeF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Faxe
                                wrote last edited by
                                #74

                                maybe this helps:

                                https://github.com/microg/GmsCore/wiki

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                                • FaxeF Faxe

                                  maybe this helps:

                                  https://github.com/microg/GmsCore/wiki

                                  84728 This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  8472
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                                  #75

                                  @faxe it does. I testet it on /e/OS which hat microg on board.

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                                  • Javier de la CuevaJ Javier de la Cueva

                                    Actions speak louder than words.

                                    I am unable to install EU Login app in my phone because I use LineageOS and not the Google Spy Android.

                                    Thus, I cannot use the double factor authentication, mandatory from the 25-02-2026 on unless I tell Google.

                                    A frontal attack to our #privacy.

                                    Stupid, no?

                                    @EUCommission

                                    Giorgio ComaiG This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Giorgio ComaiG This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Giorgio Comai
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                                    #76

                                    @jdelacueva @EUCommission A couple of years ago, I complained to the portal's assistance service about this very issue, and this is the reply I got.

                                    With SMS now not any more an option, we are really left only with FIDO2 keys.

                                    It is unclear why they can't use established OTP standards compliant with many different platforms, and, if they really, *really* need to re-invent the wheel, why they must release their solution only through US-based platforms that come with debatable ToS.

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                                    • ĞÖKÜ👻👻™G ĞÖKÜ👻👻™

                                      @guigsy @Scofisticated OOPS, 😔, then no option.. Last option.. Install Google play service app (oldest version) & turn off all internet connection option in app setting. Use ur team app... MS Google apple all joined hands together. All doing shit

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                                      #77

                                      @GOKUSHRM @guigsy Yeah, no choice for work.

                                      I am looking at Graphine as an option. I saw it has Play in a container. I've trying to stick with non-andriod, linux options. But here are mobile connection shinanigans/ difficulties.

                                      I def think those 3 are cooperating for an ecosystem more benificial to them.

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                                      • Sco :progress: :flag_mm:S Sco :progress: :flag_mm:

                                        @GOKUSHRM @guigsy Yeah, no choice for work.

                                        I am looking at Graphine as an option. I saw it has Play in a container. I've trying to stick with non-andriod, linux options. But here are mobile connection shinanigans/ difficulties.

                                        I def think those 3 are cooperating for an ecosystem more benificial to them.

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                                        @Scofisticated @guigsy graphine os.. Hmm. But that's only available for googles pixel device...

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                                          @lumi Pretending that this is a good use for DRM has been a grift thirty years in the making.

                                          https://web.archive.org/web/20141129042827/https://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/2016.wss

                                          @jdelacueva @IvanSanchez @EUCommission @fruitchypear @greatlaketrout

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