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Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini.

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  • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

    Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

    #darkpatterns

     Tournesol 🌻πŸ₯žT This user is from outside of this forum
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    Tournesol 🌻πŸ₯ž
    wrote on last edited by
    #14

    @briankrebs I genuinely don't know which button I should click to say No, that's crazy

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    • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

      Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

      #darkpatterns

      George E. πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έβ™₯πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡΅πŸ‡ΈπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆπŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈG This user is from outside of this forum
      George E. πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έβ™₯πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡΅πŸ‡ΈπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆπŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈG This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote on last edited by
      #15

      @briankrebs@infosec.exchange
      What would happen if you asked Gemini to write an Email that clearly went against it's TOS and AUP? Would it politely refuse and give you the normal message composition window I wonder. (I no longer have gmail).

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      • RootWyrm πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦:progress:R RootWyrm πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦:progress:

        @briankrebs actually, the tiny tiny X only works about half the time and is just the "shove it in my face again every single time" button.

        It's long past time for people to dump Gmail. Especially since it's now horrifically insecure and outright dangerous if you oppose the regime.

        BrianKrebsB This user is from outside of this forum
        BrianKrebsB This user is from outside of this forum
        BrianKrebs
        wrote on last edited by
        #16

        @rootwyrm It worked, but then when I went to compose an email it fired another popup trying to push Gemini.

        EarthshineE RootWyrm πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦:progress:R 2 Replies Last reply
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        • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

          Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

          #darkpatterns

          Patrick SchmitzS This user is from outside of this forum
          Patrick SchmitzS This user is from outside of this forum
          Patrick Schmitz
          wrote on last edited by
          #17

          @briankrebs the "x" is the "annoy me later" button, "no" is not an option.

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          • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

            Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

            #darkpatterns

            Binary Large OctopusB This user is from outside of this forum
            Binary Large OctopusB This user is from outside of this forum
            Binary Large Octopus
            wrote on last edited by
            #18

            @briankrebs Have Gemini compose my messages? Like this: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/issues/16750?

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            • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

              Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

              #darkpatterns

              Greg.  Just Greg…T This user is from outside of this forum
              Greg.  Just Greg…T This user is from outside of this forum
              Greg. Just Greg…
              wrote on last edited by
              #19

              @briankrebs Indeed when your plan for market growth is to hide the opt-out button, it might be time to reassess the value of your tool.

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              • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                #darkpatterns

                OnlyMeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                OnlyMe
                wrote on last edited by
                #20

                @briankrebs Does β€˜Continue’ do the same thing as β€˜Try now’?

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                • diana πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ¦‹πŸŒ±D diana πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ¦‹πŸŒ±

                  @briankrebs

                  and this is why I am going back to the 1990's style email server, spool, and a terminal window client that reads text. Just like the old Unix days as K&R intended.

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                  Kaosc
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                  #21

                  @dianea @briankrebs Been thinking the same. It would also be nice to have a proper search again via ripgrep.

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                  • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                    Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                    #darkpatterns

                    [Yaseenist] CauseOfBSODC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    [Yaseenist] CauseOfBSOD
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #22

                    @briankrebs nah the tiny "x" is likely the "continue" button aka the "remind me later" button

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                    • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                      Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                      #darkpatterns

                      Mike MattatallM This user is from outside of this forum
                      Mike MattatallM This user is from outside of this forum
                      Mike Mattatall
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                      #23

                      @briankrebs And here I thought I was already confidently drafting my emails ...

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                      • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                        Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                        #darkpatterns

                        ((( Geekosaurus )))K This user is from outside of this forum
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                        ((( Geekosaurus )))
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #24

                        @briankrebs There is a setting to turn off "smart features" which will suppress those Gemini prompts.

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                        • ((( Geekosaurus )))K ((( Geekosaurus )))

                          @briankrebs There is a setting to turn off "smart features" which will suppress those Gemini prompts.

                          Paul Chambers🚧P This user is from outside of this forum
                          Paul Chambers🚧P This user is from outside of this forum
                          Paul Chambers🚧
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #25

                          @kahomono You still get the nag screens every time they release a new feature and every now and then a nag screen to turn Gemini on. @briankrebs

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                          • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                            Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                            #darkpatterns

                            MostlyTatoM This user is from outside of this forum
                            MostlyTatoM This user is from outside of this forum
                            MostlyTato
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #26

                            @briankrebs
                            Because writing an email is such a hard thing that we have always struggled with...πŸ™„

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                            • Multi "skateboard propeller" :companion_cube: :lizard_doggo:M Multi "skateboard propeller" :companion_cube: :lizard_doggo:

                              @briankrebs i wonder how many users misread confidently as confidentially and proceeded to do. Uh. Security incidents

                              gardengeekG This user is from outside of this forum
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                              gardengeek
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                              #27

                              @multisn8

                              I did! when seeing this screenshot, my first thought was: huh, I wonder how confidential this really is?? I was confident about my initial read.

                              Also, does this mean that some (many? most??) emails I receive from gmail accounts will be written by AI? I'm sorry, but I do not spend my time reading AI-generated mail. Boycott in both directions (sending and receiving from gmail).

                              @briankrebs

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                              • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                @rootwyrm It worked, but then when I went to compose an email it fired another popup trying to push Gemini.

                                EarthshineE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Earthshine
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                                #28

                                @briankrebs @rootwyrm the correct process flow is x -> options -> takeout -> download my data -> options -> account -> delete my account.

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                                • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                  Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                                  #darkpatterns

                                  kbalK This user is from outside of this forum
                                  kbalK This user is from outside of this forum
                                  kbal
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                                  #29

                                  Is it just me, or does "draft emails confidently" seem like too awkward a phrase to inspire much confidence?

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                                  • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                    Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                                    #darkpatterns

                                    GustavoQ This user is from outside of this forum
                                    GustavoQ This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Gustavo
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #30

                                    @briankrebs I just disabled the smart features entirely. No, smart folder organization isn't a thing I want, it is why I disabled it in the first place. I'm sure Google is using my messages to train their models anyway, but I don't want to get bothered by all this fuzz.

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                                    • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                      Continue, or "try it now" a popup from Gmail now asks, offering to compose your next message with Gemini. I guess the tiny "x" is the "fuck no" button?

                                      #darkpatterns

                                      Alex M. Dunne (he/him)A This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Alex M. Dunne (he/him)A This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Alex M. Dunne (he/him)
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #31

                                      @briankrebs

                                      That's weird #AI marketing from #gmail.

                                      As "a random guy on the internet" I have all the confidence I need to type an email...

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                                      • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                        @rootwyrm It worked, but then when I went to compose an email it fired another popup trying to push Gemini.

                                        RootWyrm πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦:progress:R This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        RootWyrm πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦:progress:
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                                        #32

                                        @briankrebs yep, there is absolutely no way to turn it off now, and no way to keep it from hoovering up your inbox for training. "X" is just "force it on me every time."

                                        Seriously.
                                        People need to get the fuck off Gmail.
                                        It's so damn bad that I am giving serious consideration to starting an email hosting business. And I know better than just about everyone what that involves.

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                                        • GustavoQ Gustavo

                                          @briankrebs I just disabled the smart features entirely. No, smart folder organization isn't a thing I want, it is why I disabled it in the first place. I'm sure Google is using my messages to train their models anyway, but I don't want to get bothered by all this fuzz.

                                          GustavoQ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          Gustavo
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #33

                                          @briankrebs And, while we are here talking about email, a coworker suggested that I use Outlook. Which alternative exists which is not backed by Mozilla and supports Windows and HTML mail? If there isn't one, I guess I will have to use Thunderbird.

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