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As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

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  • John BullG John Bull

    As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

    Maho 🦝🍻M This user is from outside of this forum
    Maho 🦝🍻M This user is from outside of this forum
    Maho 🦝🍻
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    @garius wait, what happened

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    • lemgandiL lemgandi

      @garius And their flagship database is an enormous pile of Crap. Many people feed their families by knowing its quirks and difficulties, but I'd rather be productive.

      To give you just one example: Oracle SQL HAS NO BOOLEAN DATA TYPE. The official recommendation is to use a 1 char field. What goes into that? Well, who knows? "Y/N" ? "y/n"? "O/N" if you're french? "1/0"?

      In many shops, the result is supposedly boolean fields that contain 3, 5, even 7 different values. Yikes.

      jz.tuskJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      @lemgandi @garius

      Fuck Oracle and all, but if they don't know how to put a constraint on a column I gotta wonder if there was ever any hope.....

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      • ? Guest

        @garius it might be time to go back and rewatch Brian Cantrill's "don't anthropomorphise Larry Ellison" talk

        jz.tuskJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        @johncc @garius

        Came here looking for "you wouldn't hate a lawnmower, would you?". Thanks for keeping things real.

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        • John BullG John Bull

          As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

          Pixelcats⁷P This user is from outside of this forum
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          @garius This.

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          • John BullG John Bull

            As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

            Kevin ArchieK This user is from outside of this forum
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            @garius 35 years here. The reasons have varied over the years but it’s been well over half my life of fuck those guys

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            • Steven LiptonM Steven Lipton

              @emma @garius well he does have his own island…

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              @MakeAppPie @garius no, he has a house on land stolen from Indigenous Hawai'ians.

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              • Emma needs ☕️ and paying workE Emma needs ☕️ and paying work

                @MakeAppPie @garius no, he has a house on land stolen from Indigenous Hawai'ians.

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                @emma @garius yes, I was going to put a stolen Island, but given the context I did leave that part out.

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                • John BullG John Bull

                  As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

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                  @garius@mastodon.me.uk god i remember installing oracle from scratch and asking myself why does it have to be so hard ? i just wanted a dev database. now i just use sqlite for all dev work. funny because i also used illustra which sort of became the postgres. that thing used to crash all the time .

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                  • John BullG John Bull

                    As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

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                    David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
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                    #46

                    @garius

                    Aside from the solarcide, I didn’t really have much ire towards Oracle. They were awful towards their customers but their products were so expensive that anyone who was an Oracle customer could have easily afforded to not be an Oracle customer. In contrast, a load of other big tech companies were abusive to people who weren’t their customers, or to people who were their customers only because they had no other choice.

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                    • Phil HaighG Phil Haigh

                      @garius Oracle, to me, are the trailblazer for so many tech companies. One good product, lots of duff ones, and a reputation for buggering up any “good” software that they bought up…

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                      @gulfie @garius
                      That's what happens when companies have some really good success, they expand and turn everything new around them to shit.

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                        @gulfie @garius
                        That's what happens when companies have some really good success, they expand and turn everything new around them to shit.

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                        @duckwhistle @garius On the plus side their purchase of BEA probably accelerated the move away from the full stack J2EE architecture to much lighter weight, simpler alternatives.

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                        • John BullG John Bull

                          As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

                          Shirley EugestE This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Shirley Eugest
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                          @garius
                          I wonder when they will figure out that Bill Gates is horrible, not because he met Epstein, but because he built Microsoft on his theft of other people's intellectual property.

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                          • John BullG John Bull

                            As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

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                            Free Tier VPS is sooo generous though!!1! 😅
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                            • Maho 🦝🍻M Maho 🦝🍻

                              @garius wait, what happened

                              Kagan MacTane (he/him)K This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @mapache @garius That's what I came here trying to find out, too! From reading through, it looks like it's just that Oracle bought TikTok, I guess? (And so I guess it's really that the younger generation is*about to* discover, etc., etc., not that they're doing so yet?)

                              I'd be happy to get more information, if there is any.

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                              • John BullG John Bull

                                As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

                                Phil GreerP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @garius

                                I miss Sun Microsystems...

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                                • Phil HaighG Phil Haigh

                                  @garius Oracle, to me, are the trailblazer for so many tech companies. One good product, lots of duff ones, and a reputation for buggering up any “good” software that they bought up…

                                  Stumpy The MuttS This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Stumpy The MuttS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @gulfie @garius Sun Microsystems for instance. R.I.P.

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                                  • Stumpy The MuttS Stumpy The Mutt

                                    @gulfie @garius Sun Microsystems for instance. R.I.P.

                                    Phil HaighG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @StumpyTheMutt @garius yep. I’m not sure the outcome would have been much better if Google had got there first, either. Different yes, better? Almost definitely not. But buying Sun wasn’t on their radar.

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                                    • John BullG John Bull

                                      As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

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                                      @garius well… at least they are doing kinda great job as a #Java steward 🙂

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                                      • John BullG John Bull

                                        As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

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                                        @garius As no DBA (and maybe to young?) I always asked myself if there was ever a usecase for prperitary DBMS products? I saw it AS strict requirement for 3rd party Software, but for what? Thinking of PostgreSQL (and other free DBs) it offers clustering, scripting, extensions like GIS, ...
                                        So what was the point?

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                                        • jz.tuskJ jz.tusk

                                          @lemgandi @garius

                                          Fuck Oracle and all, but if they don't know how to put a constraint on a column I gotta wonder if there was ever any hope.....

                                          lemgandiL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          lemgandi
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                                          @jztusk @garius

                                          Nope, not for a lot of places. And yeh, that's the band-aid. But still, every DBA is going to have a DIFFERENT CONSTRAINT. Y/N, y/n, 0/1, 1/-1, 1/0, O/N.

                                          I think there's even a mid-eastern language out there where "No" begins with a Y ...

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