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  • Carlos SolísC Carlos Solís
    @MartinaNeumayer @dansup @kitkat Molly, a fork of Signal that, among other things, has already removed Signal's dependency on Google's Firebase Cloud Messaging by replacing it with UnifiedPush and their own MollySocket service, is also working to implement an open-source version of the server under the code name Flatline: github.com/mollyim/flatline-pl…
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    wrote last edited by
    #57

    @csolisr Yes I know about it. But the problem with Molly is that, that they doesn't support older android versions anymore. If I remember correctly, the lowest system version on which the app can be installed is 11. Anything older isn't supported, which is pretty big unfortunate for many people.
    Btw.. Original Signal also offers two different versions of their app without google blobs included and with UnifiedPush. They are available on their page and from F-Droid repositories.

    @dansup @kitkat

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    • dansupD dansup

      The Great Migration 🚀

      X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
      IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
      FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
      TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
      YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
      WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

      Ethical. Federated. Open.

      Spread the word ✨

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      ĞÖKÜ👻👻™
      wrote last edited by
      #58

      @dansup @matrix @xmpp session ??

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      • Martina NeumayerM Martina Neumayer

        @csolisr Yes I know about it. But the problem with Molly is that, that they doesn't support older android versions anymore. If I remember correctly, the lowest system version on which the app can be installed is 11. Anything older isn't supported, which is pretty big unfortunate for many people.
        Btw.. Original Signal also offers two different versions of their app without google blobs included and with UnifiedPush. They are available on their page and from F-Droid repositories.

        @dansup @kitkat

        Carlos SolísC This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #59
        Hold up, mainstream Signal has finally integrated MollySocket then?
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        • T Radiation Craziness

          @pwm Looks interesting, I don't think I've heard of Deltachat before. By far the biggest issue with new messaging apps is you have to get everyone you're talking to to switch too and I just got most of them to get Signal so I don't think I'm going to be able to get them to switch again lol

          Pevin KinelP This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote last edited by
          #60

          @techindepth27 @pwm just wanted to say that actually Delta's onboarding mechanism is the simplest and fastest i've seen. Start it the first time, write your name and that's it. Because it's not linked to a phone number nor pre-existing email, you don't have to go hunting for a confirmation link/code. Made the transition super smooth for a bunch of friends here

          @delta

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          • Carlos SolísC Carlos Solís
            Hold up, mainstream Signal has finally integrated MollySocket then?
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            wrote last edited by
            #61
            Never mind, there is a version of Signal without Google libraries, but instead of using UnifiedPush like Molly does, Signal falls back to direct WebSockets, which requires much more battery consumption in the background unfortunately. github.com/signalapp/Signal-An…
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            • KalonK Kalon

              Its really too bad but it seems like Friendica isn't coded efficiently.

              To a large degree Mastodon is working the same way, but the focus on friends first make it a better entry to the Fediverse for those coming from Facebook.

              Really wish it performed better. Perhaps people smarter than me will get around to a complete rewrite. Probably in Rust.

              @Drahngis

              @dansup

              Carlos SolísC This user is from outside of this forum
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              Carlos Solís
              wrote last edited by
              #62
              Friendica is a dinosaur that predates Mastodon and prides itself on being hostable in any web host that accepts PHP with versions as low as 7.4. A Rust rewrite would no longer be Friendica, unfortunately. There's also the zillion forks of it (Hubzilla, Zap, Osada, Streams to name a few) and those, too, are still based on PHP.
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              • Carlos SolísC Carlos Solís
                Friendica is a dinosaur that predates Mastodon and prides itself on being hostable in any web host that accepts PHP with versions as low as 7.4. A Rust rewrite would no longer be Friendica, unfortunately. There's also the zillion forks of it (Hubzilla, Zap, Osada, Streams to name a few) and those, too, are still based on PHP.
                Carlos SolísC This user is from outside of this forum
                Carlos SolísC This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote last edited by
                #63
                However! Friendica very recently released a new version that finally does something about the slow queries, by adding a cache for network channels. It also includes a few quality-of-life improvements. friendi.ca/2026/01/27/friendic…
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                • dansupD dansup

                  The Great Migration 🚀

                  X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                  IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                  FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                  TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                  YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                  WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                  Ethical. Federated. Open.

                  Spread the word ✨

                  Paul Sutton (zleap)Z This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Paul Sutton (zleap)
                  wrote last edited by
                  #64

                  @dansup @matrix @xmpp

                  Linkedin -> https://nolto.social/

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                  • dansupD dansup

                    The Great Migration 🚀

                    X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                    IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                    FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                    TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                    YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                    WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                    Ethical. Federated. Open.

                    Spread the word ✨

                    Nebelsturm_KakumeikaK This user is from outside of this forum
                    Nebelsturm_KakumeikaK This user is from outside of this forum
                    Nebelsturm_Kakumeika
                    wrote last edited by
                    #65

                    @dansup @matrix @xmpp

                    windows->LINUX
                    android->graphenOS
                    microsoft office->libre office

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                    • Paul Sutton (zleap)Z Paul Sutton (zleap)

                      @dansup @matrix @xmpp

                      Linkedin -> https://nolto.social/

                      wakest ⁂L This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #66

                      @zleap its a vibe coded thing that doesn't federate at all, and lies on the front page about what it supports, why are you spreading this link

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                      • dansupD dansup

                        The Great Migration 🚀

                        X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                        IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                        FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                        TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                        YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                        WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                        Ethical. Federated. Open.

                        Spread the word ✨

                        TedelT This user is from outside of this forum
                        TedelT This user is from outside of this forum
                        Tedel
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                        #67

                        @dansup @matrix @xmpp

                        I believe Diaspora* needs to be included in the next edition of this graphic.

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                        • Toni AittoniemiG Toni Aittoniemi

                          @dansup @matrix @xmpp Signal might get legit banned. Both in USA and EU, actually.

                          patoszP This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #68

                          @gimulnautti @dansup @matrix @xmpp how come? what's the story?

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                          • dansupD dansup

                            The Great Migration 🚀

                            X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                            IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                            FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                            TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                            YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                            WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                            Ethical. Federated. Open.

                            Spread the word ✨

                            contranymM This user is from outside of this forum
                            contranymM This user is from outside of this forum
                            contranym
                            wrote last edited by
                            #69

                            @dansup sadly, friendica was badly broken when i tried it. and i thought one point of federating was you would only need one account on one service and you could interact with other services on the fediverse. is this not the case? i still dont know how it works because ive only tried to add ppl from bsky, and i guess thats not actually federated, so it requires a bridge i didnt want to mess with. i have a hard enough time finding friends on diff masto instances.

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                            • NéuroD Néuro

                              @dansup friendica is horrible. just horrible, the other apps are great, but still have weird flaws. like in mastodon, if I see a post that is really really really really long it takes forever to scroll past it, especially if this person spams. there is no "see more" text to a long text. and in mastodon just replying to you, is a small window to the left of the post.

                              peertube won't won't without money for the creators, somehow.

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                              wrote last edited by
                              #70

                              @Drahngis @dansup the long text thing is a client issue, there are multiple clients that solve that. I believe the Webinterface collapses long text. Moshiodon certainly does.

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                              • dansupD dansup

                                The Great Migration 🚀

                                X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                                IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                                FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                                TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                                YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                                WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                                Ethical. Federated. Open.

                                Spread the word ✨

                                *The* Paul BrownB This user is from outside of this forum
                                *The* Paul BrownB This user is from outside of this forum
                                *The* Paul Brown
                                wrote last edited by
                                #71

                                @dansup @matrix @xmpp

                                So why don't you do it properly? It's not that hard:

                                X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                                IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                                FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                                TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                                YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                                WhatsApp ➡️ https://matrix.org

                                You're welcome.

                                Fuck Signal.

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                                • damianwalshD damianwalsh

                                  @dansup LinkedIn → ? Someone should do that, just sayin’

                                  George BG This user is from outside of this forum
                                  George BG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #72

                                  @dansup @damianwalsh

                                  I found one a couple of weeks ago and made an account but lost the URL and it seems to be completely unsearchable.

                                  Maybe someone else will post it in the replies but that isn't really a good sign.

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                                  • dansupD dansup

                                    The Great Migration 🚀

                                    X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                                    IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                                    FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                                    TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                                    YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                                    WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                                    Ethical. Federated. Open.

                                    Spread the word ✨

                                    AmalA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Amal
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #73

                                    @dansup @matrix @xmpp
                                    Beautiful 👌

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                                    • A anon_4601

                                      @dansup

                                      #WhatsAppAlternatives #METABoycott #USAboycott

                                      European privacy-friendly options, I’m not an expert. What do you think about these? Did I miss anything?

                                      🏆️ SESSION 🇨🇭*
                                      Focus on high anonymity.
                                      Decentralized network , easy to use.
                                      No phone, ID or email required
                                      Open Source. FREE

                                      🏆️ SIMPLEX 🇬🇧*
                                      Focus on maximum privacy
                                      No user IDs or phone numbers required.
                                      Open Source. FREE

                                      🎖️ THREEMA 🇨🇭***
                                      Very popular in Germany
                                      Uses anonymous 8-digit Threema ID. Proprietary code (but audited) 1 time 5€

                                      DELTA CHAT 🇩🇪 *
                                      Super easy to use, user can open an account just with a nick name. No user IDs or phone numbers required.
                                      Open Source. FREE

                                      ELEMENT / MATRIX 🇬🇧*
                                      Perfect for secure communication.
                                      Federated (choose your server).
                                      Communicate with anyone using Matrix protocol applications. Open Source. FREE

                                      SIGNAL 🇺🇸 🚫 ***
                                      Requires a Phone, metadata concerns ‼️
                                      FREE

                                      *Open Source
                                      **Proprietary
                                      ***Hybrid 50%-50%

                                      Comparison by
                                      https://
                                      eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm

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                                      bjoern
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #74

                                      @anon_4601 @dansup #deltachat does not require a phone number nor you have to provide your address nor a SIM card is required.

                                      you can use it even without a phone.

                                      it uses SMTP/IMAP under the hood, with a random address. nothing is persisted on the server, for metadata, see https://delta.chat/en/help#message-metadata

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                                      • contranymM contranym

                                        @dansup sadly, friendica was badly broken when i tried it. and i thought one point of federating was you would only need one account on one service and you could interact with other services on the fediverse. is this not the case? i still dont know how it works because ive only tried to add ppl from bsky, and i guess thats not actually federated, so it requires a bridge i didnt want to mess with. i have a hard enough time finding friends on diff masto instances.

                                        SamS This user is from outside of this forum
                                        SamS This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Sam
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #75

                                        @makeitmythic@mastodon.social Bluesky uses a different protocol and isn't apart of the Fediverse without the @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy bridge what needs to go both ways.

                                        When it comes to the Fediverse you sometimes need other accounts but it depends on the sort of experience you want, I work fine off a Microblogging account for most of my interactions, I use a software called Sharkey for more usability and it allows me to follow users off Loops, PixelFed, Mastodon, PeerTube or Lemmy but it's a little annoying / needs some work arounds to post onto Lemmy, PixelFed is easy to post my stuff onto as I simply need an image in the post. PeerTube and Loops are kinda a no go for them seeing my content even if I upload a video sadly but that's fine if you don't want to be a creator in that matter.

                                        These systems like Loops are new or even in BETA so it'll take some time to make sure these work all together but it also depends on the people using it, if you feel like a feature is missing voice about it, see who has the same opinion, if you have tech knowledge code it.

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                                        • SamS Sam

                                          @makeitmythic@mastodon.social Bluesky uses a different protocol and isn't apart of the Fediverse without the @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy bridge what needs to go both ways.

                                          When it comes to the Fediverse you sometimes need other accounts but it depends on the sort of experience you want, I work fine off a Microblogging account for most of my interactions, I use a software called Sharkey for more usability and it allows me to follow users off Loops, PixelFed, Mastodon, PeerTube or Lemmy but it's a little annoying / needs some work arounds to post onto Lemmy, PixelFed is easy to post my stuff onto as I simply need an image in the post. PeerTube and Loops are kinda a no go for them seeing my content even if I upload a video sadly but that's fine if you don't want to be a creator in that matter.

                                          These systems like Loops are new or even in BETA so it'll take some time to make sure these work all together but it also depends on the people using it, if you feel like a feature is missing voice about it, see who has the same opinion, if you have tech knowledge code it.

                                          contranymM This user is from outside of this forum
                                          contranymM This user is from outside of this forum
                                          contranym
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #76

                                          @sam yeah, i already knew bsky wasnt truly federated, and thats why i gave up on trying to interact with it. the only other services im possibly interested in are peertube and lemmy, but i have enough problems just trying to interact with friends on the same instance (mastodon.social). when i post about an issue, i usually get no interaction or people asking me what my server setup is like, and sadly i have no coding knowledge. i wish things Just Worked a bit better for people in an expected way

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