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  • LightningToasterL LightningToaster

    @techindepth27 Okay so maybe nothing changed, and that is how I used to find it as well: Only findable through search engine. It simply cannot be found using the Signal website.

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    Radiation Craziness
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    #56

    @LightningToaster Yeah I see that.... that's probably not a good sign

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    • Carlos SolísC Carlos Solís
      @MartinaNeumayer @dansup @kitkat Molly, a fork of Signal that, among other things, has already removed Signal's dependency on Google's Firebase Cloud Messaging by replacing it with UnifiedPush and their own MollySocket service, is also working to implement an open-source version of the server under the code name Flatline: github.com/mollyim/flatline-pl…
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      wrote last edited by
      #57

      @csolisr Yes I know about it. But the problem with Molly is that, that they doesn't support older android versions anymore. If I remember correctly, the lowest system version on which the app can be installed is 11. Anything older isn't supported, which is pretty big unfortunate for many people.
      Btw.. Original Signal also offers two different versions of their app without google blobs included and with UnifiedPush. They are available on their page and from F-Droid repositories.

      @dansup @kitkat

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      • dansupD dansup

        The Great Migration 🚀

        X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
        IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
        FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
        TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
        YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
        WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

        Ethical. Federated. Open.

        Spread the word ✨

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        ĞÖKÜ👻👻™
        wrote last edited by
        #58

        @dansup @matrix @xmpp session ??

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        • Martina NeumayerM Martina Neumayer

          @csolisr Yes I know about it. But the problem with Molly is that, that they doesn't support older android versions anymore. If I remember correctly, the lowest system version on which the app can be installed is 11. Anything older isn't supported, which is pretty big unfortunate for many people.
          Btw.. Original Signal also offers two different versions of their app without google blobs included and with UnifiedPush. They are available on their page and from F-Droid repositories.

          @dansup @kitkat

          Carlos SolísC This user is from outside of this forum
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          Carlos Solís
          wrote last edited by
          #59
          Hold up, mainstream Signal has finally integrated MollySocket then?
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          • T Radiation Craziness

            @pwm Looks interesting, I don't think I've heard of Deltachat before. By far the biggest issue with new messaging apps is you have to get everyone you're talking to to switch too and I just got most of them to get Signal so I don't think I'm going to be able to get them to switch again lol

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            Pevin Kinel
            wrote last edited by
            #60

            @techindepth27 @pwm just wanted to say that actually Delta's onboarding mechanism is the simplest and fastest i've seen. Start it the first time, write your name and that's it. Because it's not linked to a phone number nor pre-existing email, you don't have to go hunting for a confirmation link/code. Made the transition super smooth for a bunch of friends here

            @delta

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            • Carlos SolísC Carlos Solís
              Hold up, mainstream Signal has finally integrated MollySocket then?
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              Carlos Solís
              wrote last edited by
              #61
              Never mind, there is a version of Signal without Google libraries, but instead of using UnifiedPush like Molly does, Signal falls back to direct WebSockets, which requires much more battery consumption in the background unfortunately. github.com/signalapp/Signal-An…
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              • KalonK Kalon

                Its really too bad but it seems like Friendica isn't coded efficiently.

                To a large degree Mastodon is working the same way, but the focus on friends first make it a better entry to the Fediverse for those coming from Facebook.

                Really wish it performed better. Perhaps people smarter than me will get around to a complete rewrite. Probably in Rust.

                @Drahngis

                @dansup

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                Carlos Solís
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                #62
                Friendica is a dinosaur that predates Mastodon and prides itself on being hostable in any web host that accepts PHP with versions as low as 7.4. A Rust rewrite would no longer be Friendica, unfortunately. There's also the zillion forks of it (Hubzilla, Zap, Osada, Streams to name a few) and those, too, are still based on PHP.
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                • Carlos SolísC Carlos Solís
                  Friendica is a dinosaur that predates Mastodon and prides itself on being hostable in any web host that accepts PHP with versions as low as 7.4. A Rust rewrite would no longer be Friendica, unfortunately. There's also the zillion forks of it (Hubzilla, Zap, Osada, Streams to name a few) and those, too, are still based on PHP.
                  Carlos SolísC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Carlos Solís
                  wrote last edited by
                  #63
                  However! Friendica very recently released a new version that finally does something about the slow queries, by adding a cache for network channels. It also includes a few quality-of-life improvements. friendi.ca/2026/01/27/friendic…
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                  • dansupD dansup

                    The Great Migration 🚀

                    X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                    IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                    FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                    TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                    YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                    WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                    Ethical. Federated. Open.

                    Spread the word ✨

                    Paul Sutton (zleap)Z This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Paul Sutton (zleap)
                    wrote last edited by
                    #64

                    @dansup @matrix @xmpp

                    Linkedin -> https://nolto.social/

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                    • dansupD dansup

                      The Great Migration 🚀

                      X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                      IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                      FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                      TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                      YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                      WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                      Ethical. Federated. Open.

                      Spread the word ✨

                      Nebelsturm_KakumeikaK This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Nebelsturm_Kakumeika
                      wrote last edited by
                      #65

                      @dansup @matrix @xmpp

                      windows->LINUX
                      android->graphenOS
                      microsoft office->libre office

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                      • Paul Sutton (zleap)Z Paul Sutton (zleap)

                        @dansup @matrix @xmpp

                        Linkedin -> https://nolto.social/

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                        wakest ⁂
                        wrote last edited by
                        #66

                        @zleap its a vibe coded thing that doesn't federate at all, and lies on the front page about what it supports, why are you spreading this link

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                        • dansupD dansup

                          The Great Migration 🚀

                          X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                          IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                          FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                          TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                          YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                          WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                          Ethical. Federated. Open.

                          Spread the word ✨

                          TedelT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Tedel
                          wrote last edited by
                          #67

                          @dansup @matrix @xmpp

                          I believe Diaspora* needs to be included in the next edition of this graphic.

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                          • Toni AittoniemiG Toni Aittoniemi

                            @dansup @matrix @xmpp Signal might get legit banned. Both in USA and EU, actually.

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                            @gimulnautti @dansup @matrix @xmpp how come? what's the story?

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                            • dansupD dansup

                              The Great Migration 🚀

                              X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                              IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                              FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                              TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                              YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                              WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                              Ethical. Federated. Open.

                              Spread the word ✨

                              contranymM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              contranym
                              wrote last edited by
                              #69

                              @dansup sadly, friendica was badly broken when i tried it. and i thought one point of federating was you would only need one account on one service and you could interact with other services on the fediverse. is this not the case? i still dont know how it works because ive only tried to add ppl from bsky, and i guess thats not actually federated, so it requires a bridge i didnt want to mess with. i have a hard enough time finding friends on diff masto instances.

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                              • NéuroD Néuro

                                @dansup friendica is horrible. just horrible, the other apps are great, but still have weird flaws. like in mastodon, if I see a post that is really really really really long it takes forever to scroll past it, especially if this person spams. there is no "see more" text to a long text. and in mastodon just replying to you, is a small window to the left of the post.

                                peertube won't won't without money for the creators, somehow.

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                                #70

                                @Drahngis @dansup the long text thing is a client issue, there are multiple clients that solve that. I believe the Webinterface collapses long text. Moshiodon certainly does.

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                                • dansupD dansup

                                  The Great Migration 🚀

                                  X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                                  IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                                  FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                                  TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                                  YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                                  WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                                  Ethical. Federated. Open.

                                  Spread the word ✨

                                  *The* Paul BrownB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  *The* Paul Brown
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #71

                                  @dansup @matrix @xmpp

                                  So why don't you do it properly? It's not that hard:

                                  X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                                  IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                                  FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                                  TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                                  YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                                  WhatsApp ➡️ https://matrix.org

                                  You're welcome.

                                  Fuck Signal.

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                                  • damianwalshD damianwalsh

                                    @dansup LinkedIn → ? Someone should do that, just sayin’

                                    George BG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    George B
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #72

                                    @dansup @damianwalsh

                                    I found one a couple of weeks ago and made an account but lost the URL and it seems to be completely unsearchable.

                                    Maybe someone else will post it in the replies but that isn't really a good sign.

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                                    • dansupD dansup

                                      The Great Migration 🚀

                                      X ➡️ https://joinmastodon.org
                                      IG ➡️ https://pixelfed.org
                                      FB ➡️ https://friendi.ca
                                      TikTok ➡️ https://joinloops.org
                                      YouTube ➡️ https://joinpeertube.org
                                      WhatsApp ➡️ https://signal.org

                                      Ethical. Federated. Open.

                                      Spread the word ✨

                                      AmalA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      AmalA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Amal
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #73

                                      @dansup @matrix @xmpp
                                      Beautiful 👌

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                                      • A anon_4601

                                        @dansup

                                        #WhatsAppAlternatives #METABoycott #USAboycott

                                        European privacy-friendly options, I’m not an expert. What do you think about these? Did I miss anything?

                                        🏆️ SESSION 🇨🇭*
                                        Focus on high anonymity.
                                        Decentralized network , easy to use.
                                        No phone, ID or email required
                                        Open Source. FREE

                                        🏆️ SIMPLEX 🇬🇧*
                                        Focus on maximum privacy
                                        No user IDs or phone numbers required.
                                        Open Source. FREE

                                        🎖️ THREEMA 🇨🇭***
                                        Very popular in Germany
                                        Uses anonymous 8-digit Threema ID. Proprietary code (but audited) 1 time 5€

                                        DELTA CHAT 🇩🇪 *
                                        Super easy to use, user can open an account just with a nick name. No user IDs or phone numbers required.
                                        Open Source. FREE

                                        ELEMENT / MATRIX 🇬🇧*
                                        Perfect for secure communication.
                                        Federated (choose your server).
                                        Communicate with anyone using Matrix protocol applications. Open Source. FREE

                                        SIGNAL 🇺🇸 🚫 ***
                                        Requires a Phone, metadata concerns ‼️
                                        FREE

                                        *Open Source
                                        **Proprietary
                                        ***Hybrid 50%-50%

                                        Comparison by
                                        https://
                                        eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm

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                                        bjoern
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #74

                                        @anon_4601 @dansup #deltachat does not require a phone number nor you have to provide your address nor a SIM card is required.

                                        you can use it even without a phone.

                                        it uses SMTP/IMAP under the hood, with a random address. nothing is persisted on the server, for metadata, see https://delta.chat/en/help#message-metadata

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                                        • contranymM contranym

                                          @dansup sadly, friendica was badly broken when i tried it. and i thought one point of federating was you would only need one account on one service and you could interact with other services on the fediverse. is this not the case? i still dont know how it works because ive only tried to add ppl from bsky, and i guess thats not actually federated, so it requires a bridge i didnt want to mess with. i have a hard enough time finding friends on diff masto instances.

                                          SamS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          Sam
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #75

                                          @makeitmythic@mastodon.social Bluesky uses a different protocol and isn't apart of the Fediverse without the @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy bridge what needs to go both ways.

                                          When it comes to the Fediverse you sometimes need other accounts but it depends on the sort of experience you want, I work fine off a Microblogging account for most of my interactions, I use a software called Sharkey for more usability and it allows me to follow users off Loops, PixelFed, Mastodon, PeerTube or Lemmy but it's a little annoying / needs some work arounds to post onto Lemmy, PixelFed is easy to post my stuff onto as I simply need an image in the post. PeerTube and Loops are kinda a no go for them seeing my content even if I upload a video sadly but that's fine if you don't want to be a creator in that matter.

                                          These systems like Loops are new or even in BETA so it'll take some time to make sure these work all together but it also depends on the people using it, if you feel like a feature is missing voice about it, see who has the same opinion, if you have tech knowledge code it.

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